Liberals: How can you, in good conscience, support illegal immigrants?

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Anonymous wrote:Left leaning moderate here. I don't support illegals and no one I know supports illegals.

The DACA folks are a special case, and I am comfortable giving them legal, but not citizen status. They can get in line if they want to become fully legal American citizens.

Their parents knew exactly what they were doing having (multiple) kids in America; the parents can take them back to their home county or we'll have a backlog at adoption agencies.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were in poverty in Honduras and couldn’t provide for your family, would you sneak across the border to pick fruit or install drywall and send money home? I would. I bet even Sean Hannity would. That’s all they’re doing. Trying to make a life for themselves and their families.

Then go to Europe or Asia. Oh wait, they don't have lax laws like we do.

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The same people who support illegal immigration would not support a black man who stole food from a grocery store to put food on his families table.

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Anonymous wrote:The other elephant in the room is that our economic system requires a lot of cheap labor and there aren't a lot of great solutions for how to change that.

Exactly. We have to pay workers like dirt. There’s no alternative!

DP.. then why do Trump's resort keep hiring cheap foreign labor if there is alternative?

Because, like most big companies, Trump’s companies only care about profit.

How is this difficult for you to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:The same people who support illegal immigration would not support a black man who stole food from a grocery store to put food on his families table.

Huh? Why not just use gov't programs that provide free food.

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Anonymous wrote:The same people who support illegal immigration would not support a black man who stole food from a grocery store to put food on his families table.

Huh? Why not just use gov't programs that provide free food.

Incredibly stupid response to a rhetorical point.

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Anonymous wrote:The other elephant in the room is that our economic system requires a lot of cheap labor and there aren't a lot of great solutions for how to change that.

Exactly. We have to pay workers like dirt. There’s no alternative!

DP.. then why do Trump's resort keep hiring cheap foreign labor if there is alternative?

Because, like most big companies, Trump’s companies only care about profit.

How is this difficult for you to understand?

Trump commented on this before. If he hired American workers at higher wages his properties would not be competitive. Look at the restaurant industry, for example. I have a friend who owns a restaurant in a restaurant district. All have illegal labor working in the kitchens. If he hired legals it would increase his prices significantly and he would lose business, and maybe not be able to continue. This is why eVerify is so important. It would force all to comply and would result in the self deportation of millions who would not be able to work. Sad that the republicans really do not want to solve the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Left leaning moderate here. I don't support illegals and no one I know supports illegals.

The DACA folks are a special case, and I am comfortable giving them legal, but not citizen status. They can get in line if they want to become fully legal American citizens.

Former Democrat, now Independent here and I agree with the 800,000 DACA getting legal status but not citizen status. They need to apply like everyone else. I don't think all 1.8 million "dreamers'' should be given legal status much less citizen status.

There should also be a stipulation that there will no longer be special treatment given to these children that are brought here as young kids. It's not their fault and it's a precarious situation but the parents and kids need to know that entering a country illegally does have ramifications. That's what the laws are there for to begin with.

I also think the US gov't should give consideration to those coming here from countries like El Salvador because they are fleeing the violence there. These cases should be considered as refugees and the appropriate steps should be taken to determine their refugee application.

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Anonymous wrote:Left leaning moderate here. I don't support illegals and no one I know supports illegals.

The DACA folks are a special case, and I am comfortable giving them legal, but not citizen status. They can get in line if they want to become fully legal American citizens.

Former Democrat, now Independent here and I agree with the 800,000 DACA getting legal status but not citizen status. They need to apply like everyone else. I don't think all 1.8 million "dreamers'' should be given legal status much less citizen status.

There should also be a stipulation that there will no longer be special treatment given to these children that are brought here as young kids. It's not their fault and it's a precarious situation but the parents and kids need to know that entering a country illegally does have ramifications. That's what the laws are there for to begin with.

I also think the US gov't should give consideration to those coming here from countries like El Salvador because they are fleeing the violence there. These cases should be considered as refugees and the appropriate steps should be taken to determine their refugee application.

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Anonymous wrote:I am liberal and I don't support illegal immigration or even all those HB1 visa holders who are taking professional jobs from US citizens.

But I have nothing against people who were brought here as small children, who have grown up here and who want a legal pathway to citizenship.

And, if employers would stop hiring illegal immigrants then most would not be here.

and that would be many R farmers. I'll ask again.. if ICE really wanted to go after ALL illegal immigrants, why not raid the farms. About half of those workers are illegal immigrants. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. What's the point of raiding 7/11s and greyhound buses when you will get a handful of illegal immigrants, when you could get hundreds just by going out to the farms?

You are making assumptions. You have no idea what percentage of workers on farms are illegal or if there are any at all.

As for ICE going after "ALL illegal immigrants", they don't have the manpower or resources for that. Assuming you guessed correctly at the number of illegals working on farms, that should indeed be the LAST place ICE should go after them. We need food. We don't need cheap labor loitering outside 7/11s everywhere.

Ah.. so you admit that illegal immigrants are necessary to our country? So some illegal immigrants are ok as long as they stay on the farms, right?

According to American Farm Bureau:

https://modernfarmer.com/2017/01/trump-builds-wall-will-happen-food-system/

One of the most comprehensive studies on how immigration policy impacts the food system was commissioned by the American Farm Bureau Federation in 2014...The report found that stemming the flow of undocumented immigrants across the southern border—which currently accounts for between 50 and 70 percent of the agricultural workforce—would cause retail food prices to jump an average of five to six percent, and that “the quantity and variety of grocery store produce would diminish.”

Yes, the report is from 2014, but I don't know of a more recent comprehensive unbiased report, plus, all you have to do is read some of the articles that interviews farmers across the country. They are nervous.

I admit that everyone living in America that is contributing to society and the economy is necessary and good for our country. All I was saying is that given the resources ICE has, they can't get EVERYONE, so they might as well look for ones that are contributing less. I'm ok with a fair and reasonable amnesty solution.

As for the illegals that work on farms, they can be replaced eventually by Americans. I don't agree with the unverifiable talking point that illegals are doing the jobs that American citizens don't want. What I believe is that America people don't want to do a job for the low wages that the illegals are being paid. It isn't the job itself they are opposed to...illegals are willing to accept a lower wage (under the table of course).

Well, if you talk to the farmers they will tell you that Americans don't want the job, and if they pay a lot more where some will take the job, the farmers would go out of business. That's not me saying this. It's the farmers, many of them who are Rs. So, seems to me, there are those in the R party who benefit from illegal immigrants and support it, per the OP's thread title.

So you admit that some illegal immigrants are ok. Good to know.

Bush wanted a worker program. Dems turned it down. Wonder why?

[Anonymous]

ask your man Trump OP. He's hired a ton of illegals in Maralargo

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Anonymous wrote:The other elephant in the room is that our economic system requires a lot of cheap labor and there aren't a lot of great solutions for how to change that.

Exactly. We have to pay workers like dirt. There’s no alternative!

DP.. then why do Trump's resort keep hiring cheap foreign labor if there is alternative?

Because, like most big companies, Trump’s companies only care about profit.

How is this difficult for you to understand?

Trump commented on this before. If he hired American workers at higher wages his properties would not be competitive. Look at the restaurant industry, for example. I have a friend who owns a restaurant in a restaurant district. All have illegal labor working in the kitchens. If he hired legals it would increase his prices significantly and he would lose business, and maybe not be able to continue. This is why eVerify is so important. It would force all to comply and would result in the self deportation of millions who would not be able to work. Sad that the republicans really do not want to solve the problem.

Neither do Democrats, obviously. Politicians know that the donor class is in favor of mass immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:ask your man Trump OP. He's hired a ton of illegals in Maralargo

Yep. He is part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The other elephant in the room is that our economic system requires a lot of cheap labor and there aren't a lot of great solutions for how to change that.

Exactly. We have to pay workers like dirt. There’s no alternative!

DP.. then why do Trump's resort keep hiring cheap foreign labor if there is alternative?

Because, like most big companies, Trump’s companies only care about profit.

How is this difficult for you to understand?

Trump commented on this before. If he hired American workers at higher wages his properties would not be competitive. Look at the restaurant industry, for example. I have a friend who owns a restaurant in a restaurant district. All have illegal labor working in the kitchens. If he hired legals it would increase his prices significantly and he would lose business, and maybe not be able to continue. This is why eVerify is so important. It would force all to comply and would result in the self deportation of millions who would not be able to work. Sad that the republicans really do not want to solve the problem.

As I said before this is the elephant in the room. We have an economic system where companies rely on very cheap labor and the cost of improving wages inevitably gets passed on to the consumer rather than to the owner's bottom line. The ultimate responsibility goes back to the shareholders and owners turning a profit. It's a bad economic system when it concentrates wealth of the top and artificially depresses wages in the name of competition.

This is ultimately why lawmakers will inevitably not go after any company that hires illegal immigrants and why e verify is so toothless. It is far more politically convenient to punish the individual immigrants versus the employers.

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Anonymous wrote:The other elephant in the room is that our economic system requires a lot of cheap labor and there aren't a lot of great solutions for how to change that.

Exactly. We have to pay workers like dirt. There’s no alternative!

DP.. then why do Trump's resort keep hiring cheap foreign labor if there is alternative?

Because, like most big companies, Trump’s companies only care about profit.

How is this difficult for you to understand?

Illegal immigration keeps wages low for unskilled Americans. Why do democrats support illegal immigration at the expense of poor Americans.
If our country did the right thing and deported most illegal immigrants, unskilled Americans would be better paid -supply and demand.
Why do democrats want to keep unskilled Americans poor???