My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

What education is happening in that scenario? For either the out of control student or the others?

Speak for your child, please.

Other children are getting educated. Feel free to move yours home.

One violent kid in a class means the whole class is not getting my educated.

Look at you being concerned about ALL the children in the class!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, it turns out "appropriate" educations in "least restrictive" environments are not the right of every kid, just the "special" ones. All the other kids are totally screwed.

That's how life goes when focus is on "screwing" a 6 year old who throws chairs instead of banding together to find real solutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SN parent here—I get that our kids are not easy. I have nothing nice to say so I’ll show myself out. I truly hope none of you experience the pain and trauma of having a child with SN that manifests through behavioral issues.

I’m sorry some do these people have truly revealed themselves to be monsters willing to discard disabled children because they don’t fit a specific mold.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I’m the PP who pays $180 per hour for my child’s weekly therapy. My child’s therapist is completely full and is not taking new patients. I pull from school early because we can’t get an after school spot. You have no idea how incredibly limited the resources are for children with behavioral and emotional issues. We are in the top 5 percent of the country for income, probably top 2 percent. I spent weeks calling people begging for a spot. None of these people took insurance. None. It took 5 months to get in with a psychiatrist- again this is with me being willing to pay any price. Schools can’t fix this alone but neither can parents. There literally are not enough professionals to go around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

This is why it's tricky. I'm a teacher and am frustrated by the chair throwers and their disruption of the classroom as much as anyone, but I have never, ever, in my 26 years of teaching, seen suspensions "work" for kids who are struggling so much emotionally that they're throwing chairs in the classroom. The idea that staying home for a few days (and even further isolating kids who are already generally isolated from peers and adults at school) is going to resolve anything and help them get it together is just not understanding of the issue. These kids need HELP. They need support to build their coping skills, appropriate behaviors, etc. Just suspending them and hoping they magically learn how to control themselves is not setting anyone up for success.

I've never seen suspensions work, either. If anything, the problem behavior often gets worse after the suspension.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

[Anonymous]

no recourse. sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

These kids can come back if/when they can use up a fair share of resources without having a detrimental effect on other kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

These programs cost more than $15k a month. Most people don’t bring i. That kind of money and if they do, it’s mostly spoken for to pay the mortgage and those other pesky household bills.

The system isn’t working. The legal mandate is clear but the process that takes four plus months to get services and the lack of appropriate and available services in some instances means that in some cases all kids suffer and very often kids with SN suffer while everyone else is fine.

It is very disheartening to see people blaming parents of kids with SN and even young kids themselves who are stuck in a place they can’t handle. (Also disheartened by the SN parent who hoped their kid hit someone else’s with a chair, but most of the vitriolic comments were about the SN parents and kids). Put the blame where it belongs and join parents who have kids with special needs in advocating for change. A working system benefits all kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

This is why it's tricky. I'm a teacher and am frustrated by the chair throwers and their disruption of the classroom as much as anyone, but I have never, ever, in my 26 years of teaching, seen suspensions "work" for kids who are struggling so much emotionally that they're throwing chairs in the classroom. The idea that staying home for a few days (and even further isolating kids who are already generally isolated from peers and adults at school) is going to resolve anything and help them get it together is just not understanding of the issue. These kids need HELP. They need support to build their coping skills, appropriate behaviors, etc. Just suspending them and hoping they magically learn how to control themselves is not setting anyone up for success.

I've never seen suspensions work, either. If anything, the problem behavior often gets worse after the suspension.

Leaving the kids in the classroom to throw chairs while the other students evacuate doesn’t help either and damages their education. If suspensions mean the other kids can learn, then that’s okay. A child who throws furniture should not be in a mainstream classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

These kids can come back if/when they can use up a fair share of resources without having a detrimental effect on other kids.

Who determines what a fair share of resources is?

My determination would be different from yours. I certainly don't want my tax dollars footing the bills for parents who want to kick out other children from school. I don't think it's a fair use of my tax dollars. These parents shouldn't be taking any resources other than the money they put into the school system since they don't believe in community working together for all children.