My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think virtual learning and the parents have to assist is perfectly reasonable. Didn't schools say that they aren't daycare? Maintaining control of tantruming kids = daycare.

Can't you all see from the scores that all students are doing worse year after year. What's changed? The ability of teachers to maintain discipline. They're not allowed to. It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater when we don't let other students have an education because they're constantly being evacuated.

Should parents of deaf kids have to keep them home to read captions on a computer instead of the school providing an interpreter?

C’mon now. You can’t send kids home and make the parents carry out functions that the school is by law supposed to be providing. I’m not saying these kids should be allowed to stay in mainstream classrooms, but the failing is on the schools for not providing the supports needed. If the school needs the labor of the parents to get the kid through the school day, then they should be employing that parent.

Deaf kids go in specialized schools where the teachers are trained in ASL. They do not perpetrate violence and it does not cost the district $75k+ a year to educate them, gutting the school budget in the process.

My graduating HS class had 2 deaf students including an ASL interpreters in class. This was in the 1990s. Not all deaf kids go to specialized schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

This is why it's tricky. I'm a teacher and am frustrated by the chair throwers and their disruption of the classroom as much as anyone, but I have never, ever, in my 26 years of teaching, seen suspensions "work" for kids who are struggling so much emotionally that they're throwing chairs in the classroom. The idea that staying home for a few days (and even further isolating kids who are already generally isolated from peers and adults at school) is going to resolve anything and help them get it together is just not understanding of the issue. These kids need HELP. They need support to build their coping skills, appropriate behaviors, etc. Just suspending them and hoping they magically learn how to control themselves is not setting anyone up for success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think virtual learning and the parents have to assist is perfectly reasonable. Didn't schools say that they aren't daycare? Maintaining control of tantruming kids = daycare.

Can't you all see from the scores that all students are doing worse year after year. What's changed? The ability of teachers to maintain discipline. They're not allowed to. It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater when we don't let other students have an education because they're constantly being evacuated.

Should parents of deaf kids have to keep them home to read captions on a computer instead of the school providing an interpreter?

C’mon now. You can’t send kids home and make the parents carry out functions that the school is by law supposed to be providing. I’m not saying these kids should be allowed to stay in mainstream classrooms, but the failing is on the schools for not providing the supports needed. If the school needs the labor of the parents to get the kid through the school day, then they should be employing that parent.

Deaf kids go in specialized schools where the teachers are trained in ASL. They do not perpetrate violence and it does not cost the district $75k+ a year to educate them, gutting the school budget in the process.

My graduating HS class had 2 deaf students including an ASL interpreters in class. This was in the 1990s. Not all deaf kids go to specialized schools.

Same. These parents need to step up and stop trying to hide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

What education is happening in that scenario? For either the out of control student or the others?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.

What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.

Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve

School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.

That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.

My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.

Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society

A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.

A violent kid becomes a violent adult and that is all of our problem. If there’s a way to prevent it that is cheaper than managing the violent adult for life, we should all choose it

The solution is removing the violent kid from school.

Agree, but under federal law the school is required to find some other means to provide an education. Virtual school isn’t going to work for many (most) children so that’s not a one size fits all solution. If your school district isn’t doing more to provide aides or small class settings then the school system is failing all the kids in that class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

What education is happening in that scenario? For either the out of control student or the others?

Speak for your child, please.

Other children are getting educated. Feel free to move yours home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

What education is happening in that scenario? For either the out of control student or the others?

Speak for your child, please.

Other children are getting educated. Feel free to move yours home.

Defined educated. Is just being in the school building enough for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

What education is happening in that scenario? For either the out of control student or the others?

Speak for your child, please.

Other children are getting educated. Feel free to move yours home.

One violent kid in a class means the whole class is not getting my educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These threads are always the same. The ultra progressive posters pretend they are totally fine with violent behavior around their children and act like the only two options in these scenarios is blame the violent kids for their behavior or do absolutely nothing. They also act like anyone who wants more than the current “do nothing” approach is a monster who hates the poor and blames these kids.

Jesus Christ, where’s the middle ground?

It is serving NO ONE to have these violent kids in the classroom. The right answer is to remove them from regular classrooms if they can’t behave and corral them into special ed classrooms within regular schools that have higher staff rates and staff allowed to physically restrain students and with the training to effectively help and discipline them. It’s terrible for society that regular kids effectively can’t get a public education with how schools tolerate constant disruptions from violent kids.

Also, it’s exactly the ultra progressives who claim we shouldn’t move/remove the violent kids who send their own to private school.

I haven’t seen one person say we should just leave these kids in the classroom as-is. Almost anyone who shows any sort of empathy is saying exactly what you said about a middle ground with aides and smaller classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think virtual learning and the parents have to assist is perfectly reasonable. Didn't schools say that they aren't daycare? Maintaining control of tantruming kids = daycare.

Can't you all see from the scores that all students are doing worse year after year. What's changed? The ability of teachers to maintain discipline. They're not allowed to. It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater when we don't let other students have an education because they're constantly being evacuated.

Should parents of deaf kids have to keep them home to read captions on a computer instead of the school providing an interpreter?

C’mon now. You can’t send kids home and make the parents carry out functions that the school is by law supposed to be providing. I’m not saying these kids should be allowed to stay in mainstream classrooms, but the failing is on the schools for not providing the supports needed. If the school needs the labor of the parents to get the kid through the school day, then they should be employing that parent.

Deaf kids go in specialized schools where the teachers are trained in ASL. They do not perpetrate violence and it does not cost the district $75k+ a year to educate them, gutting the school budget in the process.

My graduating HS class had 2 deaf students including an ASL interpreters in class. This was in the 1990s. Not all deaf kids go to specialized schools.

Sure, but it’s rare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.

What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.

Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve

School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.

That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.

My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.

Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society

A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.

Luckily you don't get to make that call.

Go open your own school where you can make those rules.

Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.

So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.

Nobody is whining.

Every kid should be safe in school.

Kids who are dysregulated either need to have a 1:1 aide, or to be assigned to specialized classrooms.

Haven't you ever wondered why there are so few of these classrooms?

I agree with you about the aides and the appropriate specialized classroom.

Virtual learning is a non-starter. I wouldn't want in for my kid, and I wouldn't want it for anyone else's kid if they are not comfortable with it.

The aides work. I have seen it work some very challenging children.

If we all made it a priority to demand increase funding for these, that's another story.

If we want to reduce opportunity for kids with challenges- that's the only way I see virtual learning- while ours maintain the same standard, shame on us.

Shame on you. Virtual learning has many benefits that you are completely dismissing. It is the best option for some kids.

It is for some kids. But you’re not suggesting that it just be an option to those who who would benefit from it. You want to make it compulsory, including for kids that require supports that cannot be provided virtually, or services that require direct interaction with teachers or peers.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it turns out "appropriate" educations in "least restrictive" environments are not the right of every kid, just the "special" ones. All the other kids are totally screwed.