Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m already over her Midnight promo. It’s annoying and performative.

I have seen exactly one thing about her new album, and I actually own some TS music, so it's not as though I'm avoiding all things Taylor. It feels like maybe you're going out of your way to see and be annoyed by her.

there's an unfollow option on ig -- use it. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all I need to see in an article to know that the author has an agenda:

“She preaches female friendship but would never risk album sales with overtly feminist activity.”

I think it's a reference to the fact that Swift has been very mum on most major feminist issues, including abortion. She also didn't say much of anything against Trump until like 2020, which is... late.

She has become a bit more political in recent years but is still super cautious. Like she she has supported the March for Our Lives, and has made some comments in support of both the LGBTQ+ community and eventually did denounce Trump and said she supported the protests that broke out after George Floyd's murder. Which is all good but still not overtly feminist.

But she's most likely to invoke feminism when it concerns something that directly involves her. I was glad to see she at least came out against the Supreme Court overturning Roe but honestly, until then I suspected she was not pro-choice because she had been weirdly mum on the subject for such a prominent woman with so many fans who are directly impacted by the loss of abortion access.

That article is a little dated and I think pre-dates a lot of the the things I've mentioned here. Perhaps she's become more vocal due to this kind of criticism. But even that seems cynical. Most people if given a massive platform would want to speak out on issues that are important to them. Instead it feels like Taylor mostly speaks to advocate for herself and wants people to view her as an avatar for all women. But that's very different than how many other celebrities use their fame to draw attention to people who are much less fortunate than them and rally support for issues or programs that don't necessarily stand to benefit them personally.

I don't disagree with what you said . But, i feel like all these years , it seems people like you have missed the point : A huge part of her success is precisely tied to her lack of activism—something to which a lot of her fans will never admit. Look at her , what exactly is so unique ? Nothing. She looks like every other sorority girl who values her worth by whether or not she has a boyfriend, her music sounds creepily childish and vapid. This isn't the 80s when the likes of Janet Jackson and Madonna burst unto the scene with aesthetics, music and personas that were completely different .

Swift doesn't sell music as much as she sells perpetually wronged ingenue white girl victimhood coupled with that lack of activism. So, her invocation of feminism only when it involves HER interest(s) should come as a surprise to anyone who has taken the time to know this country. That mindset is what led to the term: White feminism. Does it say something about her? or does it say a lot about that faction of white America that comprises 98% of her fan base .

I agree with you regarding Swift's lack of activism, but I'm not sure I really get why you (and many others) keep referencing selling herself as a victim. There were specific incidents in her career (Kayne West and her masters in particular) where was actually wronged, and those events had a significant impact on her life and career. But beyond the reactions to those, I don't really get what else people are talking about here that she is portraying a victim.

You see, this is exactly how people who have bought into her victimhood act react when called out. Taylor swift was not wronged the way she's led people like you to believe.

The masters. For one, artists masters are owned by the label under the which the music is released. It is not a forgone conclusion that an artist MUST own their masters. If , and when an artist wants to own their masters, there are procedural and legal steps that must be taken. It is not a guarantee that labels will relinquish ownership just because an artist wants to own it. Masters are properties of the label and not the artist.

Swift claimed that she found out about the sale of her former label on the internet like everybody else . This is highly unlikely if not outright false. As it turns out scott swift ( taylor's father) was a shareholder in Big machine records—the music label who took a chance on her and to whom she owes her career —and, sat on meetings that preceded the sale . This means Taylor was aware of the sale negotiations far earlier than she claimed. If you're keeping up it also means her family benefited financially from the sale given her dad's stake in the business. Furthermore , if taylor had the $300 million necessary to buy the business, she would've done it and probably made an album about it . She didn't. Those who did bought it . Its called business, not being wronged .

[Anonymous]

You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

Just because you can try to explain them away, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

Why are women so hard on women? The longest running hate threads here have to be those hating on TS, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan and Megan Markle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

Just because you can try to explain them away, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

Why are women so hard on women? The longest running hate threads here have to be those hating on TS, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan and Megan Markle.

Also Gwyneth, the Baldwin wife, and I'm pretty sure there is a Kardashian thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

Re #3: You don’t want to discount her experience but also she’s not a victim?!? So someone is only a victim of sexual assault if they experienced the same type of assault as you or worse (in your opinion)? Women really are terrible to other women.

And #2, I don’t recall one of the most successful tv stars stealing the spotlight from the teenage winner of best drama. That would have been the equivalent of what happened at the VMAs. Also Taylor didn’t need Kanye to be successful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

Don’t think anyone has argued the sale of her masters was illegal. She wanted to buy them and wasn’t given a fair opportunity. How would you feel if your mentor—someone you professed to love and who supposedly respected you—refused to sell you your work at market price? It’s understandable why she was upset and felt wronged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

Don’t think anyone has argued the sale of her masters was illegal. She wanted to buy them and wasn’t given a fair opportunity. How would you feel if your mentor—someone you professed to love and who supposedly respected you—refused to sell you your work at market price? It’s understandable why she was upset and felt wronged.

I must admit, i was laughing out loud when reading your post. With incredibly dense fans of hers like you, swift has nothing to worry about . Could you define market price ? Please don't bother because there's no legal definition of market price and only an incredibly entitled, privileged weirdo would be bold enough to think she can dictate the price of something she doesn't own. The audacity . Feeling wronged and being wronged are two totally different things .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

Don’t think anyone has argued the sale of her masters was illegal. She wanted to buy them and wasn’t given a fair opportunity. How would you feel if your mentor—someone you professed to love and who supposedly respected you—refused to sell you your work at market price? It’s understandable why she was upset and felt wronged.

I must admit, i was laughing out loud when reading your post. With incredibly dense fans of hers like you, swift has nothing to worry about . Could you define market price ? Please don't bother because there's no legal definition of market price and only an incredibly entitled, privileged weirdo would be bold enough to think she can dictate the price of something she doesn't own. The audacity . Feeling wronged and being wronged are two totally different things .

I would define it as the price Scooter Braun paid. Seems obvious to me. How is that difficult for your to understand??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

Just because you can try to explain them away, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

Why are women so hard on women? The longest running hate threads here have to be those hating on TS, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan and Megan Markle.

Also Gwyneth, the Baldwin wife, and I'm pretty sure there is a Kardashian thread

Yeah, the unhinged hater threads go on forever because people like OP are like rabid dogs. It’s sick behavior. I say this as someone who knows the name of maybe one TS song.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.