10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio

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The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


Well, that settles that. I look forward to all of the mea culpas that will never actually come from those on the right who attacked the doctor for the telling the truth about this case so they could deny their own depravity.


I thought the story was fishy and I dont feel sorry for thinking that. In this era, its smart to be on guard for disinformation and wait for receipts. The Ohio DA, an authoritative source, disputed the veracity. People can and should take highly emotional, political stories with a grain of salt until the facts are verified.


It literally took 2 weeks for a minor child to need an abortion in Ohio.
This stuff happens. It’s time we talk more openly about real life, so we can craft polices that very real people need.
You were dubious because you’ve been sheltered.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


I'm really glad this information was published, and that's exactly what people have been asking for.

So as you see, it is in fact possible to confirm the facts and truth of the case without disclosing the identity of the victim.


It doesn't generally happen publicly, because it raises the risk for identification much, much highe, and there is no "need to know."

Alas, all the ghouls out there who couldn't/wouldn't accept it happens forced this point.

I hope the child is not identified. Goddammit, though, she was someone this rapist knew. How many 10 year old girls were close to him?

Bless her heart and her privacy.


I am so worried that this will result in her being outed, even just in her own community. How many people will be able to associate this guy with a 10 year old girl who recently took a trip out of town for a few days? This child has already endured so much trauma, and now may be subjected to that much more as her community gossips and speculates about her.


It’s going to get worse for her. The violent forced birthers will continually harass her and her family, probably with guns. They will threaten her and her family. She won’t be able to play outside safely any more. She probably won’t be able to go to school.

This is what forced birthers do to children who are unfortunate enough to be rape victims and need an abortion.


Can you give us an example of when prolife advocates harrassed 10 year rape victims and threatened them with guns?


Have you ever walked into an abortion clinic?
Guns I think are fairly new. Proud boys have decided
It’s fun sport to engage in the anti abortion antics of
the religious right. It mostly lines up with chauvinism .


Sorry this is proof 10 year old rape victims who had an abortion is an example of targeting with guns exactly how?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


Well, that settles that. I look forward to all of the mea culpas that will never actually come from those on the right who attacked the doctor for the telling the truth about this case so they could deny their own depravity.


I thought the story was fishy and I dont feel sorry for thinking that. In this era, its smart to be on guard for disinformation and wait for receipts. The Ohio DA, an authoritative source, disputed the veracity. People can and should take highly emotional, political stories with a grain of salt until the facts are verified.


It literally took 2 weeks for a minor child to need an abortion in Ohio.
This stuff happens. It’s time we talk more openly about real life, so we can craft polices that very real people need.
You were dubious because you’ve been sheltered.


Im not sheltered at all, actually. I went to the kind of school with pregnant 6th and 7th graders, and helped a fellow 12 year old through a miscarriage. I completely support abortion for rape victims. I also know that incomplete, unverified, politically charged stories should be held in some suspicion until there is corroborating info.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


It’s in the link/tweet I responding to. Contrary to his claims, most cases like this would not have rape kits because that would require reporting very shortly after an incident of assault occurred since the window for a rape kit is so narrow. The doctor here would have seen this girl more than two weeks after she conceived, so even if the case were reported and there was an investigation, there would be no rape kit collection unless the girl had coincidentally been raped again within a couple of days before investigators sought the kit to allow for a valid collection. So the AG was lying when he said you would expect there to be a rape kit in this case if it were reported. Odds are there would not be.

The odds also favor that he's an ignorant moron, in line with his political ilk, who has no understanding of women's (now girl's) sexual abuse scenarios. Yeah punish the little hos for getting pregnant.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


I'm really glad this information was published, and that's exactly what people have been asking for.

So as you see, it is in fact possible to confirm the facts and truth of the case without disclosing the identity of the victim.


It doesn't generally happen publicly, because it raises the risk for identification much, much highe, and there is no "need to know."

Alas, all the ghouls out there who couldn't/wouldn't accept it happens forced this point.

I hope the child is not identified. Goddammit, though, she was someone this rapist knew. How many 10 year old girls were close to him?

Bless her heart and her privacy.


I am so worried that this will result in her being outed, even just in her own community. How many people will be able to associate this guy with a 10 year old girl who recently took a trip out of town for a few days? This child has already endured so much trauma, and now may be subjected to that much more as her community gossips and speculates about her.


It’s going to get worse for her. The violent forced birthers will continually harass her and her family, probably with guns. They will threaten her and her family. She won’t be able to play outside safely any more. She probably won’t be able to go to school.

This is what forced birthers do to children who are unfortunate enough to be rape victims and need an abortion.


Can you give us an example of when prolife advocates harrassed 10 year rape victims and threatened them with guns?


Have you ever walked into an abortion clinic?
Guns I think are fairly new. Proud boys have decided
It’s fun sport to engage in the anti abortion antics of
the religious right. It mostly lines up with chauvinism .


Sorry this is proof 10 year old rape victims who had an abortion is an example of targeting with guns exactly how?


You’re not good at extrapolating, are you?

Forced birthers have been violent against doctors providing abortions for decades. There has been a violent 50 year campaign against abortion, the women seeking it, the doctors and nurses providing it and the “mainstream” GOP has been okay with this. The “Supreme” Court said that anyone could be harassed entering or exiting the clinic and that it was acceptable to harass clinic workers at their homes.

Now that children will have to leave states, they will be found and harassed and if it arises to the religious tribunal, they’ll okay that harassment too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


Well, that settles that. I look forward to all of the mea culpas that will never actually come from those on the right who attacked the doctor for the telling the truth about this case so they could deny their own depravity.


I thought the story was fishy and I dont feel sorry for thinking that. In this era, its smart to be on guard for disinformation and wait for receipts. The Ohio DA, an authoritative source, disputed the veracity. People can and should take highly emotional, political stories with a grain of salt until the facts are verified.


The Ohio AG lied. In addition to misrepresenting the regulations and policies around rape kits, he falsely claimed that he had contacted every local DA and confirmed that none were aware of facts fitting the doctor’s account. That was untrue, and we now know from the charges filed very shortly after the AG made that statement.

You were tricked, and you fell for it.


What the Ohio AG said was idiotic, as if a 10-year-old would immediately report it and there would be a rape kit. Does he think there is a rape kit for every rape and no rape kit means no rape? What a hateful moron.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


Well, that settles that. I look forward to all of the mea culpas that will never actually come from those on the right who attacked the doctor for the telling the truth about this case so they could deny their own depravity.


I thought the story was fishy and I dont feel sorry for thinking that. In this era, its smart to be on guard for disinformation and wait for receipts. The Ohio DA, an authoritative source, disputed the veracity. People can and should take highly emotional, political stories with a grain of salt until the facts are verified.

Has the Ohio DA apologized for this ish?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


Well, that settles that. I look forward to all of the mea culpas that will never actually come from those on the right who attacked the doctor for the telling the truth about this case so they could deny their own depravity.


I thought the story was fishy and I dont feel sorry for thinking that. In this era, its smart to be on guard for disinformation and wait for receipts. The Ohio DA, an authoritative source, disputed the veracity. People can and should take highly emotional, political stories with a grain of salt until the facts are verified.


It literally took 2 weeks for a minor child to need an abortion in Ohio.
This stuff happens. It’s time we talk more openly about real life, so we can craft polices that very real people need.
You were dubious because you’ve been sheltered.


Im not sheltered at all, actually. I went to the kind of school with pregnant 6th and 7th graders, and helped a fellow 12 year old through a miscarriage. I completely support abortion for rape victims. I also know that incomplete, unverified, politically charged stories should be held in some suspicion until there is corroborating info.


DP. Even if this story had turned out to be false, so what? You supposedly know based on your own personal experience that children far too young to consent to sex are impregnated by sexual predators. If you support abortion for rape victims, why would you specifically try to undermine that by attacking this story and thus giving cover to every person who wants the system set up to deny abortions to rape victims? Who exactly did you believe you were helping here?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

The Ohio AG is lying through his teeth.



Is he? Do you have a link to support your claim?

The dna evidence of rape would be the aborted baby. We all know this story is a lie now, but everyone seems ok for this unknown pregnant 10 year old to be raped and impregnated by an adult, the adult never face any charges or legal consequences, apparently.


No, Nancy Drew, the story unfortunately is true. The rapist has been arrested. The Ohio AG, the right-wing media jackals, the forced birth crowd -- YOU WERE ALL WRONG. You wrongly accused a respected physician of lying. And, yes, a little girl was forced to travel to another state so she didn't have to go through a pregnancy and bear her rapist's child.

YOUR CRAZY IDEAS HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CHILD EVEN MORE PAIN. F YOU.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention following the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade and activation of Ohio's abortion law.

Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.


I'm really glad this information was published, and that's exactly what people have been asking for.

So as you see, it is in fact possible to confirm the facts and truth of the case without disclosing the identity of the victim.


It doesn't generally happen publicly, because it raises the risk for identification much, much highe, and there is no "need to know."

Alas, all the ghouls out there who couldn't/wouldn't accept it happens forced this point.

I hope the child is not identified. Goddammit, though, she was someone this rapist knew. How many 10 year old girls were close to him?

Bless her heart and her privacy.


I am so worried that this will result in her being outed, even just in her own community. How many people will be able to associate this guy with a 10 year old girl who recently took a trip out of town for a few days? This child has already endured so much trauma, and now may be subjected to that much more as her community gossips and speculates about her.


It’s going to get worse for her. The violent forced birthers will continually harass her and her family, probably with guns. They will threaten her and her family. She won’t be able to play outside safely any more. She probably won’t be able to go to school.

This is what forced birthers do to children who are unfortunate enough to be rape victims and need an abortion.


Can you give us an example of when prolife advocates harrassed 10 year rape victims and threatened them with guns?


Have you ever walked into an abortion clinic?
Guns I think are fairly new. Proud boys have decided
It’s fun sport to engage in the anti abortion antics of
the religious right. It mostly lines up with chauvinism .


Sorry this is proof 10 year old rape victims who had an abortion is an example of targeting with guns exactly how?


I’m old enough to remember when in liberal Montgomery County, MD “pro-lifers” harassed the daughter of a landlord of an abortion clinic at her middle school.
Anonymous
Abortion rights, yes
Undocumented males raping little girls, hell no
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Abortion rights, yes
Undocumented males raping little girls, hell no


But it is okay with you if they are US citizens or immigrated legally? Just trying to understand why “undocumented” is a necessary qualifier to make this bad.
Anonymous
Because if our laws had been enforced and he was denied entry, this wouldn’t have happened.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because if our laws had been enforced and he was denied entry, this wouldn’t have happened.


So US citizens and properly documented immigrants never rape children and therefore they would be no need for abortion if we just closed the border?

I highly doubt that.
Anonymous
I’m referring to this particular case. You know, the subject of this thread.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’m referring to this particular case. You know, the subject of this thread.


And information about this case was only released because it illustrates the brutality of Ohio’s abortion laws. The story is about the impact of those laws on the child, but apparently you want to talk about anything but that because you can’t defend the law.
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