Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?
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Anonymous
Hmm, I don’t think so. They were supportive of her seeing a counselor. If we follow your logic, the live in fiancé is the one who really missed the boat ( if we presume he is innocent of harm to Ellen) |
Anonymous
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The original ME was sued by the Greenbergs and ultimately settled the lawsuit and as part of the settlement he changed his opinion to homicide. He was under immense pressure both legally and from the media/public. The city agreed to a fresh review and a different new ME has now again determined this was a suicide.
Was the original police investigation great? No. Sloppy? Probably. Unfortunate because now some evidence is gone forever and we are less likely to know with absolute certainly exactly what happened? Yes. But this was not police corruption. And it sure as hell wasn’t corruption from the state attorney general’s office, headed at the time by Josh Shapiro. The Greenbergs have launched an extremely successful media blitz which has succeeded in garnering support from the court of public opinion. Most of whom do have not have accurate facts and are listening to sound bites from the parents’ lawyers. |
Anonymous
Yes both the fiancé and parents did miss the boat. The fiancé and the father both pressured Ellen to keep her job, which was causing her sky high anxiety. We know this because we have seen text messages between the fiancé and Ellen in which this is clear. And the father has confirmed in interviews that he regrets this as well. I do not think it the parents’ fault not the finances fault. It is all very sad. |
Anonymous
What specifically is misleading about what he said? I'm still waiting for anyone to refute anything he said with a fact. |
Anonymous
Those nurses sound like a-holes. Your personal observations are meaningless. Tell us you don’t know anything about the Philly school Ellen was working at without telling us… |
Anonymous
I do not have the time to explain the obvious to you. You cannot use a sound bite from a lawyer as fact. I’m a lawyer, I should know! |
Anonymous
| Ugh, I hate this story so much. I'm so sure he killed her. |
Anonymous
It’s a super sad story. Take a look at the actual evidence and you won’t be sure he killed her. |
Anonymous
Give us the sound bite then. He couldn't have killed her because.... We'll wait. |
Anonymous
Please see the pages of explanations above. If you are the poster who keeps making erroneous claims, it is very obvious that you are not familiar with the facts and evidence, you are only familiar with the packaged spin that you have consumed. You are not interested in changing your mind so I will not waste my time any further explaining this death to you. |
Anonymous
1. How did Sam break down the door (as he claimed), without breaking the lock per the crime scene photos? 2. He claims he returned from the gym at 6pm but only texted Ellen for 20 minutes trying to get her to open the door. He didn't break the door down until 6:40 (according to him) - where was he the rest of the time? 3. There is zero evidence he actually went to the gym as he claimed - no video footage and no witnesses 4. Some of her wounds barely bled at all, indicating they were inflicted post mortem and the blood spatter is consistent with suicide as well. |
Anonymous
| ^blood spatter is INconsistent with suicide (as in the the "cast off" from the knife is not correct for a suicide and corroborates the theory of some of the wounds being inflicted after her death. |
Anonymous
1. The door was broken as seen in photos of the scene 2. Knocking on the door, texting her repeatedly, going to the doorman for assistance as seen on video. 3. There is video evidence of him leaving and returning to the apartment at the times he claimed. The gym didn’t have video, so that means he’s a murderer?! 4. They were hesitation wounds not deep cuts |
Anonymous
What blood splatter? The scene was not preserved as we all know |
Anonymous
Summary of evidence and ME report: 1. Ellen suffered “severe” anxiety over her first-grade teaching job at the time of her death. She was being treated by a psychiatrist for approximately two months. Bottles for alprazolam, clonazepam, and zolpidem prescribed to Ellen were recovered from a bedside table on the evening of her death. 2. While calling the “distribution of the 23 stab wounds admittedly unusual,” Ellen would be capable of self-inflicting all these injuries -- even those to the back of her head and neck, the report concluded. 3. least 8 shallow stab wounds “would best be categorized as hesitation wounds” – an indication of suicide by stabbing. The review identified at least three more of this type of wound, upping the total number of stab wounds Ellen sustained from 20 to 23. 4. Ellen sustained no defensive injuries, which are a tell-tale sign of being attacked by an assailant. The 31 contusions or bruises found on Ellen’s body aren’t consistent with “intentional infliction by another.” Most of the bruises were in the process of healing. Their distribution is consistent with “incidental contact sustained during activities of daily living, including her work as a first-grade teacher,” the report concluded. 5.There was no evidence to indicate Ellen was incapacitated or incapable of defending herself, something that would explain the noted lack of defensive wounds. 6.The DNA of Ellen’s live-in fiancé, Sam Goldberg, wasn’t detected on the knife used to inflict her injuries. 7. Goldberg’s self-reported timeline of events on the afternoon and evening of Ellen’s death is corroborated by phone logs, text messages, surveillance footage, keycard swipes and police interviews. 8.There’s no evidence Ellen was in an abusive relationship with Goldberg. A review of their text messages showed the two were often separated due to his work travel. There were no texts where Ellen mentioned hostility or mistreatment, and she never expressed fearing him, the report states. 9. There was no evidence of a third party being in the apartment on the day of Ellen’s death, nor was anyone else’s DNA detected on the knife used to stab Ellen to death. 10. No findings of a struggle were present at the scene. |