Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just read this article in Wapo and then searched other articles on the case.

Seems pretty likely to me the fiancé did it. Especially since the security guard, when pressed, admitted he wasn’t actually there when Sam Goldberg (fiancé) broke down the door.

Anyone else following this? I hadn’t heard of it until today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/27/ellen-greenberg-suicide-stabbing/

Why isn't this thread in Entertainment?

[Anonymous]

I believe he killed her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

No another new independent ME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

No, I’m just a regular person who had long been fascinated by this case.

You are quoting the greenberg’s attorney! Cut us a break! Geez. He’s been hired to spin the facts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just read this article in Wapo and then searched other articles on the case.

Seems pretty likely to me the fiancé did it. Especially since the security guard, when pressed, admitted he wasn’t actually there when Sam Goldberg (fiancé) broke down the door.

Anyone else following this? I hadn’t heard of it until today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/27/ellen-greenberg-suicide-stabbing/

Why isn't this thread in Entertainment?

Because neither murder nor suicide are entertainment. Coverage of them can be (podcasts, etc) but this thread is about the event itself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

No, I’m just a regular person who had long been fascinated by this case.

You are quoting the greenberg’s attorney! Cut us a break! Geez. He’s been hired to spin the facts

What do you refute of what he said?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just read this article in Wapo and then searched other articles on the case.

Seems pretty likely to me the fiancé did it. Especially since the security guard, when pressed, admitted he wasn’t actually there when Sam Goldberg (fiancé) broke down the door.

Anyone else following this? I hadn’t heard of it until today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/27/ellen-greenberg-suicide-stabbing/

Why isn't this thread in Entertainment?

Because neither murder nor suicide are entertainment. Coverage of them can be (podcasts, etc) but this thread is about the event itself.

+1. And the people involved are not famous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

No another new independent ME.

The newest pathologist was not independent, she is the chief medical officer for the city of Philadelphia. Therefore has a vested interest in the suicide determination.

The original autopsy stated homicide as cause of death. This was changed to suicide per the insistence of Philadelphia police which has a long history of corruption.

The whole thing stinks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

Omg this guy is an ADVOCATE. not an unbiased person. Most of what he says is misleading.

I feel bad for her parents. Clearly their own guilt on how they treated their daughter is driving this. Shame on this lawyer for continuing to take their money

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

Omg this guy is an ADVOCATE. not an unbiased person. Most of what he says is misleading.

I feel bad for her parents. Clearly their own guilt on how they treated their daughter is driving this. Shame on this lawyer for continuing to take their money

The parents have accepted responsibility for not following up on the signs of domestic violence ( (Ellen asked to move out of her boyfriend’s apartment and in with her parents). I find posters who continue to berate them over this callous and nasty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

Omg this guy is an ADVOCATE. not an unbiased person. Most of what he says is misleading.

I feel bad for her parents. Clearly their own guilt on how they treated their daughter is driving this. Shame on this lawyer for continuing to take their money

The parents have accepted responsibility for not following up on the signs of domestic violence ( (Ellen asked to move out of her boyfriend’s apartment and in with her parents). I find posters who continue to berate them over this callous and nasty.

DP. I have a lot of sympathy for the parents and do not think they should feel any guilt about what happened. But they did not miss signs of domestic violence. They missed sign of a mental health crisis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe people doubt guy murdered her v suicide. Motives: DA, she wanted to leave, family if guilty party politically well connected to cover up.

Maybe 1, 2, 3, 4 things that are inconclusive points to possibility of suicide but when you have a pile of "circumstantial" evidence + motive for coverup = crime committed.

It's just pretty straight forward in that the girl had all sorts of stabs in back. Nobody is stabbing themselves repeatedly in the back committing suicide. Nobody who talks about moving home is committing suicide either. You commit suicide out of the blue. When you are anxious, you have fear about you in some capacity. She was agitated and on alert. Suicides either happen without any warning or out of a long history and cycle of depression which she did not have. It's 2 very different things. The over the edge sign for me is that her body showed evidence of DA. Someone was doing that.

There’s no evidence of DA or her wanting to Leave. His family wasn’t powerful

She stopped wearing her engagement ring too. The teacher coworkers thought that was suspicious. Maybe she was having doubts about him and did want to leave.

She was working with children in a public school in Philly. Can you think of another reason she wouldn’t wear a gigantic diamond to work?

I disagree.

The fact that her coworkers were concerned tells me it was the culture in that school for teachers to wear their engagement rings.

I worked at an inner city hospital and many of the nurses loved to wear their “rocks” to work. I don’t see how this is any different.

Such a shame there was never an investigation and the first ME was bullied into changing his report.