Pay-to-Play Sport at Private HS employing club coach - what's normal?

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Anonymous wrote:SJC soccer parent here and i agree with those who say they are not big fans of Sal, but that he appears to be a saint compared to the baseball coach. We know some kids on the baseball team and it is clear they don’t respect him. They make fun of him, roll there eyes at him, and we always wonder why they would want to play for him. But before I let Sal off the hook, I think the biggest disappointment is that SJC has hired two low character individuals to coach their teams.

+100. I can't imagine anyone spending 15 minutes either 1) interviewing or 2) checking any parent references or 3) watching a game/practice and coming away saying this is a person who character aligns with SJC.

We met with Coach Gibbs when our son was an 8th grader. When we walked out of his "clubhouse" I'm not sure who said "hell no" first -- me, my husband or my son. I can't imagine a scenario where I would have agreed to put my son in his care for 4 years, especially now that I know he pretty much owns his players year round. PP said something about not being able to imagine coming away saying the coach's character aligns with SJC. If the school is hiring people like the baseball and soccer coach regularly, then maybe that speaks to the character of the school. Sports factory > catholic values.

All this said, SJC continues to get the largest pool of applicants. If it's so horrible, why are 1200 plus applying for 1/5 the # of slots?

Beautiful facilities. They do a really nice marketing job. UA swag for athletes. Best co-Ed athletics in the wcac. A lot of shiny facade, but it looks like they have a lot of work to do on the substantial stuff. Curious to know if they get more applications per enrollment slot for boys than Gonzaga or DeMatha. I’d think not.

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A friend told me about this web site. Thought I might want to tell our story about what happened to our son. He was an incoming freshman at St John’s and was invited to participate in workouts for incoming baseball players over the summer. There was a cost associated with this. I can’t remember how much but I think a few hundred dollars. My son went to work outs all summer. He never touched a ball, a glove, or a bat. The workouts were entirely running and stretching workouts. At the end of the summer when school started, my son heard nothing more from the coach. Nothing about the fall travel baseball program that apparently all St John’s players play with, and nothing about any other work outs. The coach simply stopped communicating with us. He was never given an opportunity to try out for the team in the spring either. It became pretty clear to us that the only reason my son was invited over the summer was so the coach could make more money for himself. My son wasn’t the only one either and we’ve learned that this happens every year.

I have read through this entire post and am not surprised about the other things I am hearing about the baseball coach. Some people have said that families and players know what to expect before they get there. I would like to say as loudly as I can that this was not what we expected! The coach is a horrible person. He stole from us, but I feel worse about the fact that my son was never even given the opportunity to try out for the school team. He might not be the next Bryce Harper, but he is a good player and more importantly a great kid who loves baseball. He should have started his freshman year excited to be at a school he had been excited about. Instead he was demoralized by the coach. It really had an negative effect on the beginning of his high school years.

If the school administration does not know all of the horrible things going on in the baseball program it’s because they don’t want to know. I think it’s more likely that they know and don’t care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here. To follow up on this, how good are the club/travel teams that these coaches run? Do they stand on their own merits?

I can tell you that the Diamondskills baseball team will just quit in the middle of tournaments and go home. Gibbs plays the tournaments like scrimmages and when all his pitchers get their 30 to 40 pitches in, he just goes home. Imagine the cost to all the families and they don't even get a chance to compete. He also doesn't show up for the tournaments so he never gets a chance to talk to scouts.

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Anonymous wrote:SJC soccer parent here and i agree with those who say they are not big fans of Sal, but that he appears to be a saint compared to the baseball coach. We know some kids on the baseball team and it is clear they don’t respect him. They make fun of him, roll there eyes at him, and we always wonder why they would want to play for him. But before I let Sal off the hook, I think the biggest disappointment is that SJC has hired two low character individuals to coach their teams.

+100. I can't imagine anyone spending 15 minutes either 1) interviewing or 2) checking any parent references or 3) watching a game/practice and coming away saying this is a person who character aligns with SJC.

We met with Coach Gibbs when our son was an 8th grader. When we walked out of his "clubhouse" I'm not sure who said "hell no" first -- me, my husband or my son. I can't imagine a scenario where I would have agreed to put my son in his care for 4 years, especially now that I know he pretty much owns his players year round. PP said something about not being able to imagine coming away saying the coach's character aligns with SJC. If the school is hiring people like the baseball and soccer coach regularly, then maybe that speaks to the character of the school. Sports factory > catholic values.

All this said, SJC continues to get the largest pool of applicants. If it's so horrible, why are 1200 plus applying for 1/5 the # of slots?

Beautiful facilities. They do a really nice marketing job. UA swag for athletes. Best co-Ed athletics in the wcac. A lot of shiny facade, but it looks like they have a lot of work to do on the substantial stuff. Curious to know if they get more applications per enrollment slot for boys than Gonzaga or DeMatha. I’d think not.

SJC surpasses Gonzaga, DeMatha, and Good Council in terms of applications. You cant compare a single sex to a co-ed in terms of application pool. Right now SJC is the shiny object that most kids wants thus the 1500+ applications.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. To follow up on this, how good are the club/travel teams that these coaches run? Do they stand on their own merits?

I can tell you that the Diamondskills baseball team will just quit in the middle of tournaments and go home. Gibbs plays the tournaments like scrimmages and when all his pitchers get their 30 to 40 pitches in, he just goes home. Imagine the cost to all the families and they don't even get a chance to compete. He also doesn't show up for the tournaments so he never gets a chance to talk to scouts.

Dumb question, but why are the Diamond Skills teams bad? I would think that the program would still attract talented players. This thread is very surprising to me as an outsider, although it sounds like common knowledge. I had previously heard such great things about St. John's baseball team.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I can assure you, many of the parents in this thread -- and they are identifiable to those in the relevant community based on their comments -- are the worst sort of little-league-parents-on-steroids. I certainly don't agree with all of the policies of certain of the coaches mentioned in this thread, but they tell you of those policies before you sign up. If you don't like the policy, then don't attend that school. But the sanctimony of some of you, the fundamental lack of self-awareness, is awe-inspiring. When you stop living your life through your child, then I might start listening to you on the topic of morality in sports.

I can't say whether many (or any) of the parents in this thread are identifiable based on their comments. Perhaps they are to those in the relevant community. But your post is the "awe-inspiring" one. There are pages of posts in this thread describing corrupt, unethical, and even illegal behavior by coaches at a catholic school, and the behavior appears to be supported by the school's administration. Yet you defend the behavior simply by saying "they tell you about this before you sign up." First, there are posters in this thread who say no, they were not told before they signed up. Who are you to say they were? Were you there when they spoke to the coach? Do you have it in writing? The only way you would know is if you are actually the coach (perhaps you are). And even if the parents were told, "we told you we were going to behave corruptly, unethically, and illegally" isn't really the best defense, now is it? The behavior is still corrupt, unethical, and illegal.

I was a bit skeptical about some of the allegations in this thread, but when the person defending the school didn't refute any of them but simply said "they told you this is how it would be before you signed up," I stopped being skeptical, Coach.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here. To follow up on this, how good are the club/travel teams that these coaches run? Do they stand on their own merits?

I can tell you that the Diamondskills baseball team will just quit in the middle of tournaments and go home. Gibbs plays the tournaments like scrimmages and when all his pitchers get their 30 to 40 pitches in, he just goes home. Imagine the cost to all the families and they don't even get a chance to compete. He also doesn't show up for the tournaments so he never gets a chance to talk to scouts.

Dumb question, but why are the Diamond Skills teams bad? I would think that the program would still attract talented players. This thread is very surprising to me as an outsider, although it sounds like common knowledge. I had previously heard such great things about St. John's baseball team.

Well, I don't think it has anything to do with Diamond Skills attracting good players. There are definitely some very fine ballplayers at SJC, and I'd like to think our son is one of them. We were frustrated because our son got to SJC expecting to go to one of the big tournaments that previous freshman classes went to (where college coaches/scouts are). They didn't send a team his freshman year, and he was told he wasn't allowed to go play for another travel team. So he missed an opportunity. As irony would have it, they did send teams the year before my son's class and the year after my son's class. "Coincidentally" the coach's nephews played on those two teams. They also invited guest players (players from outside SJC/Diamond Skills) for the teams sent to those events.

I found that to be completely unfair to our son. If you're not going to let our son go play at a national event, at least have some loyalty to the kids in your program to bring them instead of guest players.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend told me about this web site. Thought I might want to tell our story about what happened to our son. He was an incoming freshman at St John’s and was invited to participate in workouts for incoming baseball players over the summer. There was a cost associated with this. I can’t remember how much but I think a few hundred dollars. My son went to work outs all summer. He never touched a ball, a glove, or a bat. The workouts were entirely running and stretching workouts. At the end of the summer when school started, my son heard nothing more from the coach. Nothing about the fall travel baseball program that apparently all St John’s players play with, and nothing about any other work outs. The coach simply stopped communicating with us. He was never given an opportunity to try out for the team in the spring either. It became pretty clear to us that the only reason my son was invited over the summer was so the coach could make more money for himself. My son wasn’t the only one either and we’ve learned that this happens every year.

I have read through this entire post and am not surprised about the other things I am hearing about the baseball coach. Some people have said that families and players know what to expect before they get there. I would like to say as loudly as I can that this was not what we expected! The coach is a horrible person. He stole from us, but I feel worse about the fact that my son was never even given the opportunity to try out for the school team. He might not be the next Bryce Harper, but he is a good player and more importantly a great kid who loves baseball. He should have started his freshman year excited to be at a school he had been excited about. Instead he was demoralized by the coach. It really had an negative effect on the beginning of his high school years.

If the school administration does not know all of the horrible things going on in the baseball program it’s because they don’t want to know. I think it’s more likely that they know and don’t care.

This might be the most outrageous thing I have read here. Did you contact the coach and demand your money back? Did you complain to the principle? Any coach who does this is absolutely soulless and should have nothing to do with kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend told me about this web site. Thought I might want to tell our story about what happened to our son. He was an incoming freshman at St John’s and was invited to participate in workouts for incoming baseball players over the summer. There was a cost associated with this. I can’t remember how much but I think a few hundred dollars. My son went to work outs all summer. He never touched a ball, a glove, or a bat. The workouts were entirely running and stretching workouts. At the end of the summer when school started, my son heard nothing more from the coach. Nothing about the fall travel baseball program that apparently all St John’s players play with, and nothing about any other work outs. The coach simply stopped communicating with us. He was never given an opportunity to try out for the team in the spring either. It became pretty clear to us that the only reason my son was invited over the summer was so the coach could make more money for himself. My son wasn’t the only one either and we’ve learned that this happens every year.

I have read through this entire post and am not surprised about the other things I am hearing about the baseball coach. Some people have said that families and players know what to expect before they get there. I would like to say as loudly as I can that this was not what we expected! The coach is a horrible person. He stole from us, but I feel worse about the fact that my son was never even given the opportunity to try out for the school team. He might not be the next Bryce Harper, but he is a good player and more importantly a great kid who loves baseball. He should have started his freshman year excited to be at a school he had been excited about. Instead he was demoralized by the coach. It really had an negative effect on the beginning of his high school years.

If the school administration does not know all of the horrible things going on in the baseball program it’s because they don’t want to know. I think it’s more likely that they know and don’t care.

This might be the most outrageous thing I have read here. Did you contact the coach and demand your money back? Did you complain to the principle? Any coach who does this is absolutely soulless and should have nothing to do with kids.

Seriously awful! Just a question--do you have to be invited to try out for a team at SJC? At our kids' school anyone can just show up to tryouts.

[Anonymous]

I respect these families for getting their sons out and for speaking up. We regrettably sat quiet during our sons for years and looking back it was such a regrettable decision. Throughout his time there the coach kept telling us “trust us. The way we do things works.” I’m not sure who it worked for. The better players on his teams who had D1 opportunities for the most part didn’t last in D1. I’m not sure how many guys actually got scholarships. Lots of his teammates who did get opportunities to play in college were D3 or walk on chances. We now realize that when the coach said our system works, he meant it works for him. He would have 60 or 70 kids in the baseball program every year. There is absolutely no reason to have that many kids, many of them never saw the field. The reason I think he kept so many in the program was because he also made them play year-round for Diamond Skills. More kids more money. As I said before – regrettable.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend told me about this web site. Thought I might want to tell our story about what happened to our son. He was an incoming freshman at St John’s and was invited to participate in workouts for incoming baseball players over the summer. There was a cost associated with this. I can’t remember how much but I think a few hundred dollars. My son went to work outs all summer. He never touched a ball, a glove, or a bat. The workouts were entirely running and stretching workouts. At the end of the summer when school started, my son heard nothing more from the coach. Nothing about the fall travel baseball program that apparently all St John’s players play with, and nothing about any other work outs. The coach simply stopped communicating with us. He was never given an opportunity to try out for the team in the spring either. It became pretty clear to us that the only reason my son was invited over the summer was so the coach could make more money for himself. My son wasn’t the only one either and we’ve learned that this happens every year.

I have read through this entire post and am not surprised about the other things I am hearing about the baseball coach. Some people have said that families and players know what to expect before they get there. I would like to say as loudly as I can that this was not what we expected! The coach is a horrible person. He stole from us, but I feel worse about the fact that my son was never even given the opportunity to try out for the school team. He might not be the next Bryce Harper, but he is a good player and more importantly a great kid who loves baseball. He should have started his freshman year excited to be at a school he had been excited about. Instead he was demoralized by the coach. It really had an negative effect on the beginning of his high school years.

If the school administration does not know all of the horrible things going on in the baseball program it’s because they don’t want to know. I think it’s more likely that they know and don’t care.

This might be the most outrageous thing I have read here. Did you contact the coach and demand your money back? Did you complain to the principle? Any coach who does this is absolutely soulless and should have nothing to do with kids.

Seriously awful! Just a question--do you have to be invited to try out for a team at SJC? At our kids' school anyone can just show up to tryouts.

I can only speak to baseball. They definitely are not open tryouts at SJC. I believe WCAC baseball is supposed to start in mid February. That means for most schools that’s when tryouts happen. At SJC the team practices and plays together almost every day starting in September and then even through the summer. I don’t see how it is not a violation of the league’s rules. I know kids who play sports at other WCAC schools and their teams can’t practice together until the season officially starts. As we’ve seen recently with the Astros and the Red Sox, cheaters win. It has worked out for SJC baseball too. The difference is MLB cares about the cheating in their baseball and hands out penalties when teams are caught. But the WCAC does not seem to. Would be nice to see the league’s cheaters be penalized as they should be. Would be a good life lesson to teach kids as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A friend told me about this web site. Thought I might want to tell our story about what happened to our son. He was an incoming freshman at St John’s and was invited to participate in workouts for incoming baseball players over the summer. There was a cost associated with this. I can’t remember how much but I think a few hundred dollars. My son went to work outs all summer. He never touched a ball, a glove, or a bat. The workouts were entirely running and stretching workouts. At the end of the summer when school started, my son heard nothing more from the coach. Nothing about the fall travel baseball program that apparently all St John’s players play with, and nothing about any other work outs. The coach simply stopped communicating with us. He was never given an opportunity to try out for the team in the spring either. It became pretty clear to us that the only reason my son was invited over the summer was so the coach could make more money for himself. My son wasn’t the only one either and we’ve learned that this happens every year.

I have read through this entire post and am not surprised about the other things I am hearing about the baseball coach. Some people have said that families and players know what to expect before they get there. I would like to say as loudly as I can that this was not what we expected! The coach is a horrible person. He stole from us, but I feel worse about the fact that my son was never even given the opportunity to try out for the school team. He might not be the next Bryce Harper, but he is a good player and more importantly a great kid who loves baseball. He should have started his freshman year excited to be at a school he had been excited about. Instead he was demoralized by the coach. It really had an negative effect on the beginning of his high school years.

If the school administration does not know all of the horrible things going on in the baseball program it’s because they don’t want to know. I think it’s more likely that they know and don’t care.

This might be the most outrageous thing I have read here. Did you contact the coach and demand your money back? Did you complain to the principle? Any coach who does this is absolutely soulless and should have nothing to do with kids.

Seriously awful! Just a question--do you have to be invited to try out for a team at SJC? At our kids' school anyone can just show up to tryouts.

I can only speak to baseball. They definitely are not open tryouts at SJC. I believe WCAC baseball is supposed to start in mid February. That means for most schools that’s when tryouts happen. At SJC the team practices and plays together almost every day starting in September and then even through the summer. I don’t see how it is not a violation of the league’s rules. I know kids who play sports at other WCAC schools and their teams can’t practice together until the season officially starts. As we’ve seen recently with the Astros and the Red Sox, cheaters win. It has worked out for SJC baseball too. The difference is MLB cares about the cheating in their baseball and hands out penalties when teams are caught. But the WCAC does not seem to. Would be nice to see the league’s cheaters be penalized as they should be. Would be a good life lesson to teach kids as well.

How about reassigning the baseball field for use by an ultimate frisbee team and have STJ baseball find their own private field to play favorites?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SJC soccer parent here and i agree with those who say they are not big fans of Sal, but that he appears to be a saint compared to the baseball coach. We know some kids on the baseball team and it is clear they don’t respect him. They make fun of him, roll there eyes at him, and we always wonder why they would want to play for him. But before I let Sal off the hook, I think the biggest disappointment is that SJC has hired two low character individuals to coach their teams.

+100. I can't imagine anyone spending 15 minutes either 1) interviewing or 2) checking any parent references or 3) watching a game/practice and coming away saying this is a person who character aligns with SJC.

We met with Coach Gibbs when our son was an 8th grader. When we walked out of his "clubhouse" I'm not sure who said "hell no" first -- me, my husband or my son. I can't imagine a scenario where I would have agreed to put my son in his care for 4 years, especially now that I know he pretty much owns his players year round. PP said something about not being able to imagine coming away saying the coach's character aligns with SJC. If the school is hiring people like the baseball and soccer coach regularly, then maybe that speaks to the character of the school. Sports factory > catholic values.

All this said, SJC continues to get the largest pool of applicants. If it's so horrible, why are 1200 plus applying for 1/5 the # of slots?

Beautiful facilities. They do a really nice marketing job. UA swag for athletes. Best co-Ed athletics in the wcac. A lot of shiny facade, but it looks like they have a lot of work to do on the substantial stuff. Curious to know if they get more applications per enrollment slot for boys than Gonzaga or DeMatha. I’d think not.

About that UA swag...it's paid for by parents. The trend has been that every year the price of the training gear goes up, and the players get less and less gear. What was shorts, jerseys, socks, warmups, sneakers, and cleats a couple years ago has been whittled down to just a fraction of what was previously provided - and the price has gone up. Has the school turned training gear into a profit center, or does some of what is ordered and paid for by parents end up, well let's just say...elsewhere? No clue, and no accountability either. No list of what's being ordered, no request for sizes, just send your check and take what you get. We'll pass on this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend told me about this web site. Thought I might want to tell our story about what happened to our son. He was an incoming freshman at St John’s and was invited to participate in workouts for incoming baseball players over the summer. There was a cost associated with this. I can’t remember how much but I think a few hundred dollars. My son went to work outs all summer. He never touched a ball, a glove, or a bat. The workouts were entirely running and stretching workouts. At the end of the summer when school started, my son heard nothing more from the coach. Nothing about the fall travel baseball program that apparently all St John’s players play with, and nothing about any other work outs. The coach simply stopped communicating with us. He was never given an opportunity to try out for the team in the spring either. It became pretty clear to us that the only reason my son was invited over the summer was so the coach could make more money for himself. My son wasn’t the only one either and we’ve learned that this happens every year.

I have read through this entire post and am not surprised about the other things I am hearing about the baseball coach. Some people have said that families and players know what to expect before they get there. I would like to say as loudly as I can that this was not what we expected! The coach is a horrible person. He stole from us, but I feel worse about the fact that my son was never even given the opportunity to try out for the school team. He might not be the next Bryce Harper, but he is a good player and more importantly a great kid who loves baseball. He should have started his freshman year excited to be at a school he had been excited about. Instead he was demoralized by the coach. It really had an negative effect on the beginning of his high school years.

If the school administration does not know all of the horrible things going on in the baseball program it’s because they don’t want to know. I think it’s more likely that they know and don’t care.

This might be the most outrageous thing I have read here. Did you contact the coach and demand your money back? Did you complain to the principle? Any coach who does this is absolutely soulless and should have nothing to do with kids.

Seriously awful! Just a question--do you have to be invited to try out for a team at SJC? At our kids' school anyone can just show up to tryouts.

I can only speak to baseball. They definitely are not open tryouts at SJC. I believe WCAC baseball is supposed to start in mid February. That means for most schools that’s when tryouts happen. At SJC the team practices and plays together almost every day starting in September and then even through the summer. I don’t see how it is not a violation of the league’s rules. I know kids who play sports at other WCAC schools and their teams can’t practice together until the season officially starts. As we’ve seen recently with the Astros and the Red Sox, cheaters win. It has worked out for SJC baseball too. The difference is MLB cares about the cheating in their baseball and hands out penalties when teams are caught. But the WCAC does not seem to. Would be nice to see the league’s cheaters be penalized as they should be. Would be a good life lesson to teach kids as well.

How about reassigning the baseball field for use by an ultimate frisbee team and have STJ baseball find their own private field to play favorites?

I get that this comment is tongue in cheek, but on a more serious note, why doesn’t the conference punish this behavior? I’m associated with another WCAC school that has had a relatively successful baseball program. That said, they haven’t been able to compete with Saint John’s. Neither has any other school in the conference. St. John’s has won six championships in a row, and it looks like they’re able to do that by cheating. I know at least two coaches in the conference in recent years have lost their job because they have not produced. These coaches aren’t producing only relative to Saint John’s.What would it take to get the conference to actually enforce its rules? And for that matter what are the rules? If Saint johns baseball team is truly practicing all year long together, and not waiting until the baseball season as other teams are, according to another poster, then isn’t that cheating? What are the rules for?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SJC soccer parent here and i agree with those who say they are not big fans of Sal, but that he appears to be a saint compared to the baseball coach. We know some kids on the baseball team and it is clear they don’t respect him. They make fun of him, roll there eyes at him, and we always wonder why they would want to play for him. But before I let Sal off the hook, I think the biggest disappointment is that SJC has hired two low character individuals to coach their teams.

+100. I can't imagine anyone spending 15 minutes either 1) interviewing or 2) checking any parent references or 3) watching a game/practice and coming away saying this is a person who character aligns with SJC.

We met with Coach Gibbs when our son was an 8th grader. When we walked out of his "clubhouse" I'm not sure who said "hell no" first -- me, my husband or my son. I can't imagine a scenario where I would have agreed to put my son in his care for 4 years, especially now that I know he pretty much owns his players year round. PP said something about not being able to imagine coming away saying the coach's character aligns with SJC. If the school is hiring people like the baseball and soccer coach regularly, then maybe that speaks to the character of the school. Sports factory > catholic values.

All this said, SJC continues to get the largest pool of applicants. If it's so horrible, why are 1200 plus applying for 1/5 the # of slots?

Beautiful facilities. They do a really nice marketing job. UA swag for athletes. Best co-Ed athletics in the wcac. A lot of shiny facade, but it looks like they have a lot of work to do on the substantial stuff. Curious to know if they get more applications per enrollment slot for boys than Gonzaga or DeMatha. I’d think not.

About that UA swag...it's paid for by parents. The trend has been that every year the price of the training gear goes up, and the players get less and less gear. What was shorts, jerseys, socks, warmups, sneakers, and cleats a couple years ago has been whittled down to just a fraction of what was previously provided - and the price has gone up. Has the school turned training gear into a profit center, or does some of what is ordered and paid for by parents end up, well let's just say...elsewhere? No clue, and no accountability either. No list of what's being ordered, no request for sizes, just send your check and take what you get. We'll pass on this year.

How is this possible when the school is sponsored by UA? Cant speak for baseball but, I know for a fact that soccer and football are provided with gear.