Toddler death on a cruise ship. So tragic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It makes sense what the lawyer is doing. Think about how we vilify the parents who leave a kid in a hot car and want them prosecuted. We would never be so irresponsible! By diverting the conversation to whether the cruise ship is culpable, the focus shifts from solely blaming the grandpa to discussing windows and signs and toddler behavior.

Grandpa’s story about not knowing the window was open is the narrative his brain created to protect him from the soul crushing reality that he was responsible. I’m sure he really believes it be true. If the whole family believes this, blame shifting makes it a little more bearable than the truth.

Whatever happened, I hope they don’t prosecute him for negligence; he has been punished enough.

Totally agree with you. However, the position the lawyer is taking is a boomerang that's going to cause the family to be hit even harder.

Partially disagree. There’s science that explains why kids get left in hot cars accidentally. And once you read that research, it is very sobering as a parent because it is clear that it is not primarily an issue of being irresponsible. What happened with Cruise Ship Grandpa is more like parents who intentionally leave kids in the car, in the early spring or with the window cracked. They are overlooking a known risk, thinking they have controlled for it.

I have no idea what cruise ship Grandpa was thinking. But it doesn’t matter, he is already paying his sentence and will for the rest of his life. And ridiculously suing RCCL will not change what happened.

They hired the dumbest lawyer around. Should have called Disney Alligator lawyer.

[Anonymous]

They should enclose the entire ship with 12’ tall glass walls so no one can get anywhere near the water. There are so many places in the ship where someone could possibly fall (which is why people pay to go on the cruise) but to make it safe for even the dumbest people it should be all walked in like a comfort inn.

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Anonymous wrote:They should enclose the entire ship with 12’ tall glass walls so no one can get anywhere near the water. There are so many places in the ship where someone could possibly fall (which is why people pay to go on the cruise) but to make it safe for even the dumbest people it should be all walked in like a comfort inn.

Yep, no more balconies ANYWHERE.

[Anonymous]

You can lift a child so they can see over the rail without putting them ON the rail. Grandfather is at fault here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should enclose the entire ship with 12’ tall glass walls so no one can get anywhere near the water. There are so many places in the ship where someone could possibly fall (which is why people pay to go on the cruise) but to make it safe for even the dumbest people it should be all walked in like a comfort inn.

Why go on a ship at all?

[Anonymous]

You can put signs up and people will still put themselves and their friends & families at risk. I hope nothing comes of this litigation.

[Anonymous]

When our kids were young, we never unlocked the balcony doors in our hotel rooms and double-checked that all windows were locked. You can call the front desk to secure any windows and doors. It would have been easy for a child to climb on a chair and fall through a window or over a railing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They should enclose the entire ship with 12’ tall glass walls so no one can get anywhere near the water. There are so many places in the ship where someone could possibly fall (which is why people pay to go on the cruise) but to make it safe for even the dumbest people it should be all walked in like a comfort inn.

Why go on a ship at all?

The ship should never leave the harbor either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should enclose the entire ship with 12’ tall glass walls so no one can get anywhere near the water. There are so many places in the ship where someone could possibly fall (which is why people pay to go on the cruise) but to make it safe for even the dumbest people it should be all walked in like a comfort inn.

You think people go on cruises so they can fall?

[Anonymous]

You cannot idiot proof the world, guys.

I hate cruises, but if you want to suck all the things people might enjoy because you can't be bothered to do your parental duties or not be an idiot, then just stay home. Live in your bubble proofed home. Which probably carries its own risks, too.

[Anonymous]

I want to believe that the parents are too stunned with grief to think this through. Eventually, they must come to their senses and realize the cruise line was not at fault.

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Does anyone know where the mom was when this happened? Is it possible she witnessed her daughter falling? So terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You cannot idiot proof the world, guys.

I hate cruises, but if you want to suck all the things people might enjoy because you can't be bothered to do your parental duties or not be an idiot, then just stay home. Live in your bubble proofed home. Which probably carries its own risks, too.

I’m pretty sure all those people were being sarcastic. I know I was. We’ve been on a cruise, which we enjoyed, and felt very safe on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where the mom was when this happened? Is it possible she witnessed her daughter falling? So terrible.

It has not been mentioned in anything I’ve read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to believe that the parents are too stunned with grief to think this through. Eventually, they must come to their senses and realize the cruise line was not at fault.

I don't know -- don't those people who knowingly let their kids climb right over the "don't come any further" signs into the animal enclosures at the zoo end up suing when the kids get hurt?