How long will the shutdown last?

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That’s right - he needs a way out of this. I vote for Executive Order - why not? Just needs a photo op for the base.


Exactly, I know some members of Trumps base and they won't know the difference, as long as he declares a "win" of some kind.

He could even take the same compromise out that Congress came up with before Christmas, declare it "his" idea, and call it a win, and his base won't know the difference.


How elitist of you. My bet is that you don't actually know any of "Trump's base" but are basing your comments on the stereotypes you carry.

And, for those of you who say, "Walls don't work".....

Don't you find it just a bit hypocritical that before Obama moved into his Kalorama home, the first thing he had done was to create fencing around his home?
Not to mention all the other politicians that have walls or fences or barriers around their properties...........

No. I have a fence around my property so the dogs can't run off.

Yeah. I'm sure that's why Barack and Maxine and Hillary and Nancy and Diane F. all have walls and fences. Sure. That's the reason.

If you don't understand the difference between a national border and an individual's property then you are beyond help. And does Trump not have a fence around Mar a Lago and his golf courses? Do the White House and Naval Observatory not have a fence?

Not the PP, but you've missed the point. These people have walls around their property precisely because they work. They may not be the total solution, but you dont leave your property unfenced/unwalled if you want to keep uninvited guests out.

Don't double down on the dumb. Explain how a national border is the same as an individual's property line.

No one was made the argument that they are the same. You seem to be the one making that statement.

Walls and fences however do work which is the point.

They work in the context of protecting an individual's property. I'm not sure who's been feeding you your new talking point but that's a train to nowhere.

My money is on FoxNews.

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Yes, walls and fences work and that is why the SS requires one around the homes of former presidents and those they protect. The SS is not stupid. They know what works.

And, yes, President Trump has barriers around his properties. He also knows they work. That is why he is fighting to get the funding for a physical barrier.

And, all the drones and technology in the world won't work without a physical barrier. It is really that simple.
Drones help identify people who are heading toward our border.
We knew of the recent caravan of migrants heading toward our southern border (and we didn't need drones for that - they came with their own film crews). The only thing that stopped them from crossing our border and harming our border agents was.........wait for it.............A PHYSICAL BARRIER!!!

Now, we need such a barrier along those areas of our border that remain unprotected by one..... it will indeed help prevent people from entering illegally. It will also help with the flow of drugs, human smugglers, and criminals across our border.

It is difficult for many of us to understand why liberals have such opposition to a solutions that has proven effective.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s right - he needs a way out of this. I vote for Executive Order - why not? Just needs a photo op for the base.

Exactly, I know some members of Trumps base and they won't know the difference, as long as he declares a "win" of some kind.

He could even take the same compromise out that Congress came up with before Christmas, declare it "his" idea, and call it a win, and his base won't know the difference.

How elitist of you. My bet is that you don't actually know any of "Trump's base" but are basing your comments on the stereotypes you carry.

And, for those of you who say, "Walls don't work".....

Don't you find it just a bit hypocritical that before Obama moved into his Kalorama home, the first thing he had done was to create fencing around his home?
Not to mention all the other politicians that have walls or fences or barriers around their properties...........

LOL. Turn off foxnews. It makes you sound like an IDIOT.

https://www.tmz.com/2017/01/06/president-obama-dc-house-brick-wall/

According to PopSugar, a brick wall is being built in front of the house—a development that seems a bit ironic given Donald Trump's promise to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. Additionally, the garage is being converted into an office, potentially the spot where Michelle or Barack Obama will pen their next memoir.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/obama-home-renovations

As Barack Obama waxes eloquent about the supposed negative impact of walls on humanity, crews have completed the wall surrounding his Washington, DC home.

Grabien reports:

Sitting alongside German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former President Obama lectured the current administration about its immigration policy Thursday.

While not mentioning President Trump by name, Obama made clear to whom he was leveling his criticism.

“In this new world that we live in we can’t isolate ourselves,” Obama said. “We can’t hide behind a wall.”

But that’s exactly what Obama is doing in his Washington, DC and Chicago homes.

Crews have completed the brick and metal wall surrounding his home in the tony Kalorama neighborhood in DC.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/update-wall-around-obamas-dc-home-complete/

So you just happened to be reading a year-old TMZ article today?

Like I said, turn off FoxNews.

No, actually I recall discussion on this board when it was made public that the Obamas were going to rent the home that they were having a fence installed. That decision was actually lauded here. Go figure.
A simple google search pulled up some citations.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama's house also has windows. I demand that the Wall have Windows.

Hmmm you dont know the difference between a wall and a house?

Obama's house has a roof! The border needs a roof!

Build the roof! Build the roof!

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People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

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It's really funny how Trumpsters managed to drag individual property fences into this wall debate. Have they informed Dear Leader about this? It could be their new rallying cry.

+1 This would make my day!! I hope Trump calls a national emergency because Obama has a fence and we don't have a wall!!!

OMGERD!!! HE HAS A FENCE!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:If walls and fences work can Trumpsters explain why illegals were found working at Trump's golf resort? Which is presumably fenced?

because there should have been a wall at the southern border... but since there isnt they walked over

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There he is! The OMERGOD guy. He adds so much to the conversation!

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Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Well that's it then. No point in putting barriers up at all.

It is trivial to break into a car. Many criminals, however, only go for low hanging fruit and will only pilfer or steal your car if it's unlocked. Same with houses. Locking your doors and windows is a minimal barrier. For most, that minimal barrier is sufficient.

Yes, there are people who will still breach a wall. But others will not, and it will allow for efforts to be focused on the outliers.

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Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s right - he needs a way out of this. I vote for Executive Order - why not? Just needs a photo op for the base.

Exactly, I know some members of Trumps base and they won't know the difference, as long as he declares a "win" of some kind.

He could even take the same compromise out that Congress came up with before Christmas, declare it "his" idea, and call it a win, and his base won't know the difference.

How elitist of you. My bet is that you don't actually know any of "Trump's base" but are basing your comments on the stereotypes you carry.

And, for those of you who say, "Walls don't work".....

Don't you find it just a bit hypocritical that before Obama moved into his Kalorama home, the first thing he had done was to create fencing around his home?
Not to mention all the other politicians that have walls or fences or barriers around their properties...........

LOL. Turn off foxnews. It makes you sound like an IDIOT.

https://www.tmz.com/2017/01/06/president-obama-dc-house-brick-wall/

According to PopSugar, a brick wall is being built in front of the house—a development that seems a bit ironic given Donald Trump's promise to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. Additionally, the garage is being converted into an office, potentially the spot where Michelle or Barack Obama will pen their next memoir.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/obama-home-renovations

As Barack Obama waxes eloquent about the supposed negative impact of walls on humanity, crews have completed the wall surrounding his Washington, DC home.

Grabien reports:

Sitting alongside German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former President Obama lectured the current administration about its immigration policy Thursday.

While not mentioning President Trump by name, Obama made clear to whom he was leveling his criticism.

“In this new world that we live in we can’t isolate ourselves,” Obama said. “We can’t hide behind a wall.”

But that’s exactly what Obama is doing in his Washington, DC and Chicago homes.

Crews have completed the brick and metal wall surrounding his home in the tony Kalorama neighborhood in DC.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/update-wall-around-obamas-dc-home-complete/

So you just happened to be reading a year-old TMZ article today?

Like I said, turn off FoxNews.

No, actually I recall discussion on this board when it was made public that the Obamas were going to rent the home that they were having a fence installed. That decision was actually lauded here. Go figure.
A simple google search pulled up some citations.

So you are saying that you just randomly happened to remember some old discussion on DCUM about the Obama's home. And then, coincidentally, just a few days ago it was big news in FoxNewslandia.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/if-the-obamas-have-a-wall-around-their-dc-mansion-us-border-should-too-trump

TOTALLY believable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

You yourself just admitted it takes people to stop them. The wall itself isn’t enough. So why billions of dollars for something that doesn’t work? Train more border police with that money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

Of course they know that walls work. That is exactly why they don't want it.

a few weeks ago one of the migrants broke their back trying to jump the wall where there was an 18 foot secton. The wall works. I doubt many will be trying it after her in that section.

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Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

You do know that Congress did fund Trump's wall before Christmas, right?
Congress made compromises, as people do in civil societies and democracies.

Your precious wall could being being built as we type all this. But, no.
Trump shut down the government instead, and is now trying to turn it into a 'strike." It is a shutdown and everyone I know wants to get back to work!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People climb over walls.
Ever hear of ladders?

Sure. A wall/fence/barrier is a deterrent. I think the border patrol would see someone heading our way with a ten foot+ ladder in tow.

You people are ridiculous. And, you are ridiculous because you know damned well that walls/fences/physical barriers work. That is why the Dems have voted for such structures in the past. The only thing that has changed is that Trump is now president.

You yourself just admitted it takes people to stop them. The wall itself isn’t enough. So why billions of dollars for something that doesn’t work? Train more border police with that money.

Read any article talking about the wall being built and pushing people further out into more dangerous areas trying to cross. It works. Immigration advocates are actually upset about the wall being built for this reason.