Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

But that is where you are wrong. When schools shut down during the pandemic and we, as parents, got to see what was being taught to our children through the diabolical Zoom school, we were in the classroom. And many parents were rightfully horrified, realizing it was worse than we even imagined.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

Anyone should be able to serve in the military -- doesn't matter what their gender identity belief is....it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters. I think removing trans from the military is wrong...akin to removing anyone based on religion.

Same with sports...doesn't matter what your gender identity belief is...it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters.

All IDs...passports, etc. should reflect biological sex gender and not gender identity belief. You are either a biological male, female or interex (very rare).

Nobody cares about your "feeling" or "soul" - it is and should be irrelevant...although all "feelings" should be respected and protected from discrimination....all gender identity "feelings" should be taught as equal...like all religions should be respected so should all gender identity beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

Anyone should be able to serve in the military -- doesn't matter what their gender identity belief is....it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters. I think removing trans from the military is wrong...akin to removing anyone based on religion.

Same with sports...doesn't matter what your gender identity belief is...it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters.

All IDs...passports, etc. should reflect biological sex gender and not gender identity belief. You are either a biological male, female or interex (very rare).

Nobody cares about your "feeling" or "soul" - it is and should be irrelevant...although all "feelings" should be respected and protected from discrimination....all gender identity "feelings" should be taught as equal...like all religions should be respected so should all gender identity beliefs.

Absolutely not. It is not the place of public schools to teach religious concepts like “all gender identity feelings are equal.”

Stick to math, phonics and science. Leave the rest to the parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

Anyone should be able to serve in the military -- doesn't matter what their gender identity belief is....it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters. I think removing trans from the military is wrong...akin to removing anyone based on religion.

Same with sports...doesn't matter what your gender identity belief is...it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters.

All IDs...passports, etc. should reflect biological sex gender and not gender identity belief. You are either a biological male, female or interex (very rare).

Nobody cares about your "feeling" or "soul" - it is and should be irrelevant...although all "feelings" should be respected and protected from discrimination....all gender identity "feelings" should be taught as equal...like all religions should be respected so should all gender identity beliefs.

Absolutely not. It is not the place of public schools to teach religious concepts like “all gender identity feelings are equal.”

Stick to math, phonics and science. Leave the rest to the parents.

I agree -- it's all or nothing. You either teach all religious concepts or teach none. I wholeheartedly believe in the separation of church and state. Gender identity should not be taught in schools. Stick to biological sex ed and that's it -- and even that has the option for opting out in many schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Some republicans see its the difference between equal rights and special rights. The trans stuff especially smacks of special rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

Anyone should be able to serve in the military -- doesn't matter what their gender identity belief is....it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters. I think removing trans from the military is wrong...akin to removing anyone based on religion.

Same with sports...doesn't matter what your gender identity belief is...it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters.

All IDs...passports, etc. should reflect biological sex gender and not gender identity belief. You are either a biological male, female or interex (very rare).

Nobody cares about your "feeling" or "soul" - it is and should be irrelevant...although all "feelings" should be respected and protected from discrimination....all gender identity "feelings" should be taught as equal...like all religions should be respected so should all gender identity beliefs.

Absolutely not. It is not the place of public schools to teach religious concepts like “all gender identity feelings are equal.”

Stick to math, phonics and science. Leave the rest to the parents.

What I meant is that we should teach our children that different gender identity beliefs exist and that these different gender identity beliefs should be respected. Just as we should teach our children that different religions exist and that these different religions should be respected. But only at that high level. Anything more detailed should be left to parents. But neither specific gender identity beliefs nor religious beliefs should be taught in schools. This is so common sense and yet we are now living in a world where both extremes are pushing their beliefs in schools....both sides need to cut it out! But the side that started it first is why we now have schools wanting to post the 10 commandments -- also wrong IMHO.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

Anyone should be able to serve in the military -- doesn't matter what their gender identity belief is....it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters. I think removing trans from the military is wrong...akin to removing anyone based on religion.

Same with sports...doesn't matter what your gender identity belief is...it is your biological sex (male or female) that matters.

All IDs...passports, etc. should reflect biological sex gender and not gender identity belief. You are either a biological male, female or interex (very rare).

Nobody cares about your "feeling" or "soul" - it is and should be irrelevant...although all "feelings" should be respected and protected from discrimination....all gender identity "feelings" should be taught as equal...like all religions should be respected so should all gender identity beliefs.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness associated with higher rates of depression and suicide. The military routinely excludes mentally ill people from service.

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I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

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The anti-trans arguments remind me of the anti-gay marriage arguments from the early 2000s. At the time Rs claimed gay marriage would affect straight marriage. How? Who knows. Similarly I’m now told trans women have a negative impact on me, a cis woman. Again, no idea how someone else changing their own body affects me or my children.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

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The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

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It is interesting that so many progressives are so pro-immigration, when so many immigrants hold such conservative beliefs.

I don't understand the ruling and including a book that includes gay marriage which is legal in the United States. How can that be deemed offensive if that is the law?

Perhaps the petitioners aren't recent immigrants since there are Muslims and Ukrainians who have lived in the country for many, many years but most are more recent immigrants. I thought I read the Mahmoud family were Egyptian immigrants.

The petitioners include:
Tamer Mahmoud and Enas Barakat who are Muslims who believe
“that mankind has been divinely created as male and female” and “that ‘gender’ cannot be unwoven from biological ‘sex’—to the extent the two are even distinct—without rejecting the dignity and direction God bestowed on humanity
from the start.” Id., at 165a–166a. Mahmoud and Barakat believe that it would be “immoral” to expose their “young, impressionable, elementary-aged son” to a curriculum that
“undermine[s] Islamic teaching.” Id., at 532a. They objected to the book Prince and Knight about a the Prince and Knight falling in love.

Petitioners Jeff and Svitlana Roman also had a son enrolled in an MCPS elementary school when this lawsuit was filed. Jeff Roman is Catholic, and Svitlana Roman is Ukrainian Orthodox. They believe that “sexuality is ex-
pressed only in marriage between a man and a woman for creating life and strengthening the marital union.”

Several European countries have shifted and now are requiring or are trying to pass laws that migrants who want to become citizens to hold certain beliefs of respecting . This is from Sweden:

Sweden offers fantastic opportunities and conditions for everyone to succeed. What is important is not where you come from, but rather the will to be part of Swedish communities and what you are working towards. Swedish communities are held together by the Swedish language, self-sufficiency, the rights and duties associated with citizenship, and respect for Swedish rules, norms and values. Those who come to Sweden must respect our democratic values and live honourably. The expectations and requirements for becoming part of Swedish society must be made clearer and stricter to preserve our open and free society. Those who do not wish to become part of this community should not come to Sweden.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

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The Republican brand is based on hate. Hatred of liberals, atheists, college graduates, Muslims, gays, transgendered. poor, disabled. The list is endless. It’s a cult based on grievance and vengeance.