Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

Everything you just wrote is based on conversations that happened in private and not taught in school.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

It’s none of your business whether other parents are discussing gay sex with their kids. You aren’t the child’s parent! Stay in your lane. This encroachment is exactly what the backlash is all about.

Homeschooling works for parents who want to control every aspect of their child's education.

So does pushing back and taking it to the SCOTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take issue with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

The Muslim parents are named Tamer Mahmoud and Enas Barakat and they are real not mythical residents of Maryland who successfully pushed back on the state’s overreach into parental authority on religious and moral upbringing. The idea that because they are Muslim they can be deported was your racism and not based in any facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

OP here. I am totally fine with this.

OP - what exactly are you "fine" with? Because I am not fine with this "pressure" at all. This pressure started when my kids were in HS....the whole BLM movement....and pressure to make their Instagram profile all black...and that if they didn't it meant they were racist.

Everyone has the right to display a pride flag on their private property.
Everyone has the same equal right to not display a pride flag on their private property. That doesn't mean they don't respect LGBTQ+.

When did it become wrong to make this statement: I don't believe in the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but to each their own -- you do you. I still respect LGBTQ+ and believe they deserve equal rights.

This "pressure" is everywhere, and it's wrong. The "pressure" to believe in and fully embrace/accept the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. The "popularization/pressure" and "trend" to join the LGBTQ+ lifestyle is real. Wrong.

My white boys went to Wilson (and then JR) and have never once put a black profile or did rainbows, and not once have they been accused of being racist or anti-gay or felt a modicum of pressure to do so. In fact, I’m IG friends with their best friends (including 2 who went to GDS) and I haven’t seen any of that from any of them. I mostly see poorly lit photos of them hanging out or acting totally stupid. Not a single one has questioned their sexuality or had anxiety about this. They’re still goofy white guys whose circle includes boys or all colors and religion and sexuality, as well as girls.

There’s no indoctrination or pressure. It’s made up because you have anxiety. We’ve told our kids that they have privilege and to use it for good. Do they like everything or agree with everyone? No. But if it’s an article in the school paper or a critique of something in a discussion, like most normal, well-adjusted people, they let it roll off their backs. The world doesn’t revolve around them.

Your experience of not feeling pressure isn’t everyone’s and likely stems from the fact that your moral and political views align with the administration’s (your teaching on “privilege” is an indicator). Just as a Jewish student doesn’t need to accept a teacher leading a Christian prayer in class, so does a Muslim parent not need to tolerate a teaching in a Maryland classroom on gender as a person’s “guess.”

Um, sorry. I don’t tell my kids what to think. Me telling them about privilege is what I think, whether they heed that or not is on them. Neither are fully aligned with me politically. Yet, still no pressure. You totally glossed over the part where they don’t freak out if there’s an article in the paper about something they don’t agree with. We’re also not talking about prayer, and I applaud you standing up for Muslim’s rights, but I hope you are also outraged at racism against them, deportations against them.

I fully support deportations for people who are not here legally.

You don’t feel the pressure because you have the same viewpoint. That doesn’t make the experience of others who do disagree invalid. I’m sure Christians don’t feel pressure at a conservative red state school if a teacher leads a prayer, but the single Jewish student in attendance would report otherwise.

You are soooo missing the point. I’m not in the classroom. You are not either. You may be trying to micromanage your kid, and everyone else’s kid because of your own anxiety. Why invent problems? Tell us what happened…your kid came home once and said they feel pressured in HS to post stuff on IG. Even if that happened…is it a five alarm fire? Go ahead and tell us your kid’s experience, not some mythical Muslim kid whose parents you want to deport.

I’ll wait…

Everyone on this thread is missing the point....The problem is this....gender identity is a belief. If it were taught as such....meaning there are different beliefs surrounding gender identity then we wouldn't be having this thread.

Because rights would be taken away? Or, you mean that MAGA would be fine if gender was just a belief, and that trans people could play sports and serve in the military and have their passport match their perceived gender?

The idea that gender is a guess completely unliked to biological reality is quasi religious nonsense with no place in a classroom. It is exactly the same as creationism - a belief system to be taught at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland had no right to tell parents that the administration could overrule their decisions on when to expose their young children to political and sexual and quasi religious “my soul is the opposite sex from my body” concepts. It should never have been brought to scotus because it was so common sense that of course parents can opt out.

Any parent can order those books off Amazon and read them to their four year old.

The school doesn’t have the ride to override the parents.

Doesn't MD and other states have a few weeks during school year when they cover topics that fall under sex education? Parents probably can opt their kid out of that instruction. So, just give families a choice to opt out their kids from reading certain books if this is such a big deal. Parents are also given the choice to opt their kid out of holiday themed school classroom parties where students who don't participate in festivities are placed in another supervised room while the rest of the students participate in Halloween parties etc..

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take issue with that.

DP. You’ve been opining this whole time without knowing what’s been taught???

You need to read the SCOTUS decision, with particular attention to the discussion of the guidance that teachers were given on how to respond to questions.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland had no right to tell parents that the administration could overrule their decisions on when to expose their young children to political and sexual and quasi religious “my soul is the opposite sex from my body” concepts. It should never have been brought to scotus because it was so common sense that of course parents can opt out.

Any parent can order those books off Amazon and read them to their four year old.

The school doesn’t have the ride to override the parents.

Doesn't MD and other states have a few weeks during school year when they cover topics that fall under sex education? Parents probably can opt their kid out of that instruction. So, just give families a choice to opt out their kids from reading certain books if this is such a big deal. Parents are also given the choice to opt their kid out of holiday themed school classroom parties where students who don't participate in festivities are placed in another supervised room while the rest of the students participate in Halloween parties etc..

The opt out is literally what Maryland rejected and was taken to court over, as was their decision to inject gender theory into ALL areas of instruction not just specific dates (so parents couldn’t pull their kids out in advance).