Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gov employees should get a paycheck during shutdowns and not have to wait until it reopens.

Getting paid isn't an automatic thing. There are time keepers, payroll people and budget people processing pay. And those people are furloughed too.

They should be deemed essential and be paid overtime for their work.

Doesn’t the government employee fair treatment act (passed in 2019) require govt employees to receive retroactive pay and leave accrual?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gov employees should get a paycheck during shutdowns and not have to wait until it reopens.

Getting paid isn't an automatic thing. There are time keepers, payroll people and budget people processing pay. And those people are furloughed too.

They should be deemed essential and be paid overtime for their work.

Doesn’t the government employee fair treatment act (passed in 2019) require govt employees to receive retroactive pay and leave accrual?

Yes, but it doesn’t authorize paying people during the shutdown which is really a major hardship for employees, and frankly a huge security liability when we’re talking about people who are expected to work on national security matters without a steady paycheck. It’s completely absurd that pay gets suspended. People stack up crazy debt during shutdowns. Makes me sick that Congress can’t figure out how to pay people while they do their jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

The last shutdown was a partial one. Some of the agencies had already been funded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

Yes . Depends on where they get their funding

[Anonymous]

I think we are going to have a shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

some agencies are not appropriated, so their funding and work will continue regardless. thats assuming their payroll processor (usually another agency) isn't furloughed...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

some agencies are not appropriated, so their funding and work will continue regardless. thats assuming their payroll processor (usually another agency) isn't furloughed...

There are also employees at some agencies that get funded through other means (US Public Health Service) or service fellows that will be working even if most of the employees at the agency is furloughed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

The last shutdown was a partial one. Some of the agencies had already been funded.

Yes. This. We also had some carryover funding we were allowed to use to get back to the office a few weeks earlier than others. We still didn’t get paid until well after the shutdown ended though, because payroll couldn’t figure out how to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

Yes, the USPTO is fee funded so they stay open. There is enough funding for 2-3 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

BOP employees who work in prisons are excepted but must work without pay during shut downs because the administrative staff required to process payroll are furloughed. The employees have brought class action lawsuits against the agency in both 2013 and 2019 for FLSA AND Anti-Deficiency Act violations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

BOP employees who work in prisons are excepted but must work without pay during shut downs because the administrative staff required to process payroll are furloughed. The employees have brought class action lawsuits against the agency in both 2013 and 2019 for FLSA AND Anti-Deficiency Act violations.

They lost those lawsuits. https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2022/11/feds-who-work-during-government-shutdowns-arent-entitled-to-damages-appeals-court-rules/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

BOP employees who work in prisons are excepted but must work without pay during shut downs because the administrative staff required to process payroll are furloughed. The employees have brought class action lawsuits against the agency in both 2013 and 2019 for FLSA AND Anti-Deficiency Act violations.

They lost those lawsuits. https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2022/11/feds-who-work-during-government-shutdowns-arent-entitled-to-damages-appeals-court-rules/

Oh wow I thought they were still working their way through the system. interesting!

[Anonymous]

I absolutely love what I do in gov vs the job in the private sector, which private companies pay so much more too. I took a massive pay cut to come back to government. Honestly, it gets really old having the GOP sh*t all over Federal workers.

[Anonymous]

How long does it normally take for retroactive pay to go through?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

Yes, the USPTO is fee funded so they stay open. There is enough funding for 2-3 months.

Some feds at the FDA are paid with drug industry fees, but not all.