My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.

What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.

Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve

School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.

That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.

My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.

Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society

A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.

Luckily you don't get to make that call.

Go open your own school where you can make those rules.

Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.

So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.

Yeah and their kids too, right? They need to take that chair in the face like adults.

No, the kids are innocent. It's not their fault that their parents are jerks.

Not fair to call the parents of violent kid names.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

They are totally reasonable actually

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

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Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.

What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.

Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve

School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.

That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.

My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.

Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society

A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.

Luckily you don't get to make that call.

Go open your own school where you can make those rules.

Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.

So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.

Nobody is whining.

Every kid should be safe in school.

Kids who are dysregulated either need to have a 1:1 aide, or to be assigned to specialized classrooms.

Haven't you ever wondered why there are so few of these classrooms?

I agree with you about the aides and the appropriate specialized classroom.

Virtual learning is a non-starter. I wouldn't want in for my kid, and I wouldn't want it for anyone else's kid if they are not comfortable with it.

The aides work. I have seen it work some very challenging children.

If we all made it a priority to demand increase funding for these, that's another story.

If we want to reduce opportunity for kids with challenges- that's the only way I see virtual learning- while ours maintain the same standard, shame on us.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

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Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.

What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.

Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve

School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.

That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.

My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.

Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society

A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.

Luckily you don't get to make that call.

Go open your own school where you can make those rules.

Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.

So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.

Nobody is whining.

Every kid should be safe in school.

Kids who are dysregulated either need to have a 1:1 aide, or to be assigned to specialized classrooms.

Haven't you ever wondered why there are so few of these classrooms?

I agree with you about the aides and the appropriate specialized classroom.

Virtual learning is a non-starter. I wouldn't want in for my kid, and I wouldn't want it for anyone else's kid if they are not comfortable with it.

The aides work. I have seen it work some very challenging children.

If we all made it a priority to demand increase funding for these, that's another story.

If we want to reduce opportunity for kids with challenges- that's the only way I see virtual learning- while ours maintain the same standard, shame on us.

Shame on you. Virtual learning has many benefits that you are completely dismissing. It is the best option for some kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange how people on here are fighting for rights of the perpetrators and ignoring the victims.

These are children. Six year olds! Jesus. I don’t understand how someone can read this thread, read the patient and desperate explanations of SN parents of how they want their kids with violent behaviors to get more support, be moved to more contained classrooms, etc. and say people are ignoring victims. WE WANT THE SAME THING YOU DO.

Unless what you really want is for kids with needs to not exist. Which is what the trolly virtual learning poster clearly wants - just send ‘em home and F ‘em and their parents too, right?

I was a kid with special needs. I got interventions that probably cost my town a boatload of money. I now save lives in my profession. People with my disability are often high school dropouts and end up in prison, costing society hundreds of thousand of dollars to incarcerate. I think the money my town paid to help me 30 years ago was well spent, considering the alternatives.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

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Anonymous wrote:SN parent here—I get that our kids are not easy. I have nothing nice to say so I’ll show myself out. I truly hope none of you experience the pain and trauma of having a child with SN that manifests through behavioral issues.

Funny how empathy is only a one way street for people like you. Zero sympathy for the pain and trauma your kid inflicts on others.

But we are the bad people for not having "empathy" GTFOH.

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Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.

What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.

Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve

School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.

That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.

My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.

Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society

A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.

Luckily you don't get to make that call.

Go open your own school where you can make those rules.

Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.

So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.

Nobody is whining.

Every kid should be safe in school.

Kids who are dysregulated either need to have a 1:1 aide, or to be assigned to specialized classrooms.

Haven't you ever wondered why there are so few of these classrooms?

I agree with you about the aides and the appropriate specialized classroom.

Virtual learning is a non-starter. I wouldn't want in for my kid, and I wouldn't want it for anyone else's kid if they are not comfortable with it.

The aides work. I have seen it work some very challenging children.

If we all made it a priority to demand increase funding for these, that's another story.

If we want to reduce opportunity for kids with challenges- that's the only way I see virtual learning- while ours maintain the same standard, shame on us.

Shame on you. Virtual learning has many benefits that you are completely dismissing. It is the best option for some kids.

I think it's the best option for kids whose parents think it's the best option for other people's kids and not theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:SN parent here—I get that our kids are not easy. I have nothing nice to say so I’ll show myself out. I truly hope none of you experience the pain and trauma of having a child with SN that manifests through behavioral issues.

Funny how empathy is only a one way street for people like you. Zero sympathy for the pain and trauma your kid inflicts on others.

But we are the bad people for not having "empathy" GTFOH.

Your words, not hers.

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Anonymous wrote:So who is home with the child assisting with this virtual education? This is such an unreasonable and expensive solution.

Advocate for one on one aides for these children in the classroom. I have a friend with a violent kid and he does well in the classroom with his personal aide. There has not been a single incident at school.

How is virtual education any more unreasonable or expensive than a one on one aide? A one on one aide could certainly help with virtual education.

The one on one aide can leave most of the education to the teacher and focus on behavior in school. Virtual education needs more assistance with the material at home. So the child might need a teacher and an aide at ho.e.

My kids were in kindergarten and second grade during the pandemic. I had to play assistant teacher.

Why would you need a teacher and an aide 1:1? If that's what a child needs a mainstream classroom would never meet that need, so what then?

That's not true -- there are absolutely kids who have this exact set up. They are in standard classrooms but have an aide who is there for at least part of the day to help that child bridge the gap between classroom expectations and their more limited ability. It's also very common in Title 1 schools to have aides in Kindergarten classrooms and even if they are not a 1:1 aide for a specific child, they facilitate a lot more 1:1 coaching.

This isn't even a new thing, in fact I think one issue is that it's become less common. There were Sped kids in my elementary school in the 80s who had 1:1 aides in the class. Again, sometimes one aide just for one very high needs kid, but also sometimes a specialist who might rotate classrooms throughout the day be could be there for part of the day, often to help with the aspects of mainstream education that were the biggest challenge for that kid.

Kids in virtual learning have a 1:1 teacher AND a 1:1 aide? That's what PP is suggesting. That is ridiculous.

During covid, my kid that a teacher, social worker and 1:1 aide all at the same time. And there were no other kids. Just the four of them. Teacher and 1:1 in virtual isn’t that uncommon. But if a kid needs that much support for virtual it raises the question of whether virtual is the appropriate placement.

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Anonymous wrote:I think virtual learning and the parents have to assist is perfectly reasonable. Didn't schools say that they aren't daycare? Maintaining control of tantruming kids = daycare.

Can't you all see from the scores that all students are doing worse year after year. What's changed? The ability of teachers to maintain discipline. They're not allowed to. It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater when we don't let other students have an education because they're constantly being evacuated.

Should parents of deaf kids have to keep them home to read captions on a computer instead of the school providing an interpreter?

C’mon now. You can’t send kids home and make the parents carry out functions that the school is by law supposed to be providing. I’m not saying these kids should be allowed to stay in mainstream classrooms, but the failing is on the schools for not providing the supports needed. If the school needs the labor of the parents to get the kid through the school day, then they should be employing that parent.

Is the deaf child violent in the classroom? If so then maybe its fair the parents help out.

And what if a disabled child is born to a single parent who can’t use have one parent stay home? What if the parents are deadbeats? What if the parents do not speak English? What is the parents are too profoundly uneducated to assist in educating their child?

You are basically saying you’re okay with disabled children’s outcomes being totally dependent upon the ability and willingness of their parent(s) to facilitate their education. Which is pretty gross.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

You don't get to make that choice for these kids. Many of them grow up to be well behaved, well adjusted older kids and adults. Their parents and the school and their medical team know better than you do.