Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

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Anonymous wrote:I think we need white liberals to explain to the Asian community that they are being duped by evil conservatives. Unfortunately, white liberals are busy right now explaining to Hispanic voters that they were being duped into voting republican by evil conservatives.

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Hispanics have a much larger voting bank than Asians, of course they get preferential treatment. That's just economics 101.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 percent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

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So you think those testifying before SCOTUS are willing to put their freedom on the line in order to protect a secret effort to reduce the number of Asians admitted, and that they believe all of their colleagues will back them up in lying to the highest court in the land, as will all of the hundreds of people who have retired from the Harvard or UNC admissions office or higher up administration? And the same, of course is true for the thousands of other admission offices that practice affirmative action, so we're talking tens to hundreds of thousands of admissions personnel all conspiring against Asian applicants. And all the courts that have let affirmative action stand in the past are in on it, too? That's another group of tens of thousands who are all working together. And none of them have the integrity or the fear of jail time that would lead them to tell the truth?

People don't testify before the Supreme Court.

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So you think those testifying before SCOTUS are willing to put their freedom on the line in order to protect a secret effort to reduce the number of Asians admitted, and that they believe all of their colleagues will back them up in lying to the highest court in the land, as will all of the hundreds of people who have retired from the Harvard or UNC admissions office or higher up administration? And the same, of course is true for the thousands of other admission offices that practice affirmative action, so we're talking tens to hundreds of thousands of admissions personnel all conspiring against Asian applicants. And all the courts that have let affirmative action stand in the past are in on it, too? That's another group of tens of thousands who are all working together. And none of them have the integrity or the fear of jail time that would lead them to tell the truth?

People don't testify before the Supreme Court.

Yes, you're right. Thank you. But they testify to lower courts with full knowledge that decisions made based upon what they say could end up being argued in front of the Supreme Court. Lying to a lower court is the same as lying to the whole judicial branch of the government effectively.

So I'll change my argument to ask if they really think all those tens of thousands of people would be willing to lie in court. It doesn't change the validity of the point being made.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also colleges in some other countries actually do that. I wonder who this would benefit 🤔

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So you think those testifying before SCOTUS are willing to put their freedom on the line in order to protect a secret effort to reduce the number of Asians admitted, and that they believe all of their colleagues will back them up in lying to the highest court in the land, as will all of the hundreds of people who have retired from the Harvard or UNC admissions office or higher up administration? And the same, of course is true for the thousands of other admission offices that practice affirmative action, so we're talking tens to hundreds of thousands of admissions personnel all conspiring against Asian applicants. And all the courts that have let affirmative action stand in the past are in on it, too? That's another group of tens of thousands who are all working together. And none of them have the integrity or the fear of jail time that would lead them to tell the truth?

People don't testify before the Supreme Court.

Yes, you're right. Thank you. But they testify to lower courts with full knowledge that decisions made based upon what they say could end up being argued in front of the Supreme Court. Lying to a lower court is the same as lying to the whole judicial branch of the government effectively.

So I'll change my argument to ask if they really think all those tens of thousands of people would be willing to lie in court. It doesn't change the validity of the point being made.

I do not know what the evidence considered in the lower courts was, but I can assure you that it was not tens of thousands of people testifying under oath. I would guess it would be expert witnesses that are testifying about what the evidence (what the schools were required to produce through discovery or data collected by the plaintiff) means.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 percent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Honestly you sound like a total ass. Your classmates worked harder than you and had better outcomes. Like that is a surprise. How is that “legalized cheating”. You the fact that you landed ok despite blowing off high school and college is because of your privilege. A random Asian kid (or African American kid) making the same choices would have a very different outcome.

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So you think those testifying before SCOTUS are willing to put their freedom on the line in order to protect a secret effort to reduce the number of Asians admitted, and that they believe all of their colleagues will back them up in lying to the highest court in the land, as will all of the hundreds of people who have retired from the Harvard or UNC admissions office or higher up administration? And the same, of course is true for the thousands of other admission offices that practice affirmative action, so we're talking tens to hundreds of thousands of admissions personnel all conspiring against Asian applicants. And all the courts that have let affirmative action stand in the past are in on it, too? That's another group of tens of thousands who are all working together. And none of them have the integrity or the fear of jail time that would lead them to tell the truth?

People don't testify before the Supreme Court.

Yes, you're right. Thank you. But they testify to lower courts with full knowledge that decisions made based upon what they say could end up being argued in front of the Supreme Court. Lying to a lower court is the same as lying to the whole judicial branch of the government effectively.

So I'll change my argument to ask if they really think all those tens of thousands of people would be willing to lie in court. It doesn't change the validity of the point being made.

I do not know what the evidence considered in the lower courts was, but I can assure you that it was not tens of thousands of people testifying under oath. I would guess it would be expert witnesses that are testifying about what the evidence (what the schools were required to produce through discovery or data collected by the plaintiff) means.

Of course there weren't tens of thousands giving testimony, but anyone testifying would have to assume that any of those tens of thousands could be called upon to verify the truth of their testimony. Thus, if they were lying, all of them would have to be in on it together in order for them to feel confident that they were safe from being caught in perjury.

The point of this is to say that there are no maximums being put on the number of people of Asian descent being admitted to colleges. That would be both illegal and racist, and even the most racist college admissions officer in the country (I'm sure there must be one or two somewhere) isn't going to participate in anything remotely resembling that because they know they won't be supported by their colleagues at their own school and at others. This is not the 1950s. Asians are not the new Jews.

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

We never asked to be your model minority. WTF? We are not some sort of pet for you white people.

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bumping this one too

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also colleges in some other countries actually do that. I wonder who this would benefit 🤔

That would benefit those who enrich and prep as aspects of those tests can be prepared for, and students with enrichment do better on standardized tests across the board. My kids participate in an NIH study that uses IQ testing, and the head of the study confirmed that they don't measure intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also colleges in some other countries actually do that. I wonder who this would benefit 🤔

That would benefit those who enrich and prep as aspects of those tests can be prepared for, and students with enrichment do better on standardized tests across the board. My kids participate in an NIH study that uses IQ testing, and the head of the study confirmed that they don't measure intelligence.

IQ tests are really, really expensive and time consuming to administer.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also colleges in some other countries actually do that. I wonder who this would benefit 🤔

That would benefit those who enrich and prep as aspects of those tests can be prepared for, and students with enrichment do better on standardized tests across the board. My kids participate in an NIH study that uses IQ testing, and the head of the study confirmed that they don't measure intelligence.

Of course somebody you know confirmed it while it's used in numerous counties

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also colleges in some other countries actually do that. I wonder who this would benefit 🤔

That would benefit those who enrich and prep as aspects of those tests can be prepared for, and students with enrichment do better on standardized tests across the board. My kids participate in an NIH study that uses IQ testing, and the head of the study confirmed that they don't measure intelligence.

Of course somebody you know confirmed it while it's used in numerous counties

Why countries use actual IQ testing? It does not scale. Those tests are done 1:1 for several hours, usually over a few days. I’d be curious what countries do this and who they are testing (just the rich kids?)