Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

PP who doesn’t get Madonna. I am of the right age. I wanted to love her music. But I really can’t stand her voice and the music itself is so very basic, especially when you consider what else was happening then…Bangles on the fun side—so talented. Alison Moyet. Sinead O’Connor. Kate Bush. Tracy Chapman. Michelle Shocked.

I don’t agree that Taylor Swift’s music shares much genetic material with Madonna’s; I can see the care taken to create iconic images as being influenced by Madonna—more power to both of them—but not the music itself. Your song list above is pretty much an illustration of the worst of 80s pop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Untrue, I adore Lizzo and can’t stand Taylor Swift.

DP. Eh, you all have the same energy. I agree with the PPs that the obsessed TS haters tend to be the same weirdos who get all worked up about Lizzo’s flute or who freak out about literally anything Megan Markle does. It’s a type.

[Anonymous]

Thank you OP. I've been saying this for years. TS always plays the victim and seems like the type that thinks she's always right. I admit she has a couple catchy songs but her personality is a complete turn off for me, and she's not a good singer at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Untrue, I adore Lizzo and can’t stand Taylor Swift.

DP. Eh, you all have the same energy. I agree with the PPs that the obsessed TS haters tend to be the same weirdos who get all worked up about Lizzo’s flute or who freak out about literally anything Megan Markle does. It’s a type.

You: Baseless accusation
Me: Facts
You: [fingers in ears, eyes closed] No, baseless accusation


Lizzo is a million times more interesting and exciting as a writer and performer than a Taylor Swift. I don’t care about Meghan Markle either way and can’t imagine what she has to do with anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Untrue, I adore Lizzo and can’t stand Taylor Swift.

DP. Eh, you all have the same energy. I agree with the PPs that the obsessed TS haters tend to be the same weirdos who get all worked up about Lizzo’s flute or who freak out about literally anything Megan Markle does. It’s a type.

You: Baseless accusation
Me: Facts
You: [fingers in ears, eyes closed] No, baseless accusation


Lizzo is a million times more interesting and exciting as a writer and performer than a Taylor Swift. I don’t care about Meghan Markle either way and can’t imagine what she has to do with anything.

You’re just salty because you know the description is accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

Wait what? If being a democrat means you like Taylor Swift I guess I’m an independent who never voted Republican.

Also I bet you swift rarely votes and only recently started voting Dem. Guaranty her parents are conservative.

I don't care how people feel about TS's music, but she came out strong against Tennessee's horrifying Marsha Blackburn:
https://embed-testing.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-endorses-tennessee-democrats-in-rare-political-post/

And I have not idea what her parents' political persuasions are, but gosh, a liberal adult whose parents are way more conservative? That seems like fodder for the "she's not special" file.

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

Wait what? If being a democrat means you like Taylor Swift I guess I’m an independent who never voted Republican.

Also I bet you swift rarely votes and only recently started voting Dem. Guaranty her parents are conservative.

I don't care how people feel about TS's music, but she came out strong against Tennessee's horrifying Marsha Blackburn:
https://embed-testing.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-endorses-tennessee-democrats-in-rare-political-post/

And I have not idea what her parents' political persuasions are, but gosh, a liberal adult whose parents are way more conservative? That seems like fodder for the "she's not special" file.

The point is that Taylor Swift is not like some big Democratic booster (disliking Marsha Blackburn notwithstanding -- lots of Dems dislike Bernie Sanders and AOC but that doesn't make them Republicans). It is weird for anyone to associate Taylor Swift with being politically liberal, given that she is not very political at all.

Similarly, it's weird to associate DISliking Taylor Swift with hating Megan Markle and Lizzo, as a PP did, indicating that people who dislike Taylor Swift are... racist? Extremely confusing assumption!

I think actually what is happening is that some people are so obsessed with Taylor Swift that she represents everything they deem "good" in the world. If they are liberal than Taylor Swift must be the epitome of liberalism. If they are tolerant and inclusive than Taylor Swift must be the most tolerant and inclusive person to walk the earth.

I do think this kind of hero worship is part of what makes Taylor Swift annoying, even though it's coming from her fans. It's just behavior. It's okay if you are 14 but not if you are 30, and plenty of Swift fans are 30.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

Wait what? If being a democrat means you like Taylor Swift I guess I’m an independent who never voted Republican.

Also I bet you swift rarely votes and only recently started voting Dem. Guaranty her parents are conservative.

I don't care how people feel about TS's music, but she came out strong against Tennessee's horrifying Marsha Blackburn:
https://embed-testing.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-endorses-tennessee-democrats-in-rare-political-post/

And I have not idea what her parents' political persuasions are, but gosh, a liberal adult whose parents are way more conservative? That seems like fodder for the "she's not special" file.

The point is that Taylor Swift is not like some big Democratic booster (disliking Marsha Blackburn notwithstanding -- lots of Dems dislike Bernie Sanders and AOC but that doesn't make them Republicans). It is weird for anyone to associate Taylor Swift with being politically liberal, given that she is not very political at all.

Similarly, it's weird to associate DISliking Taylor Swift with hating Megan Markle and Lizzo, as a PP did, indicating that people who dislike Taylor Swift are... racist? Extremely confusing assumption!

I think actually what is happening is that some people are so obsessed with Taylor Swift that she represents everything they deem "good" in the world. If they are liberal than Taylor Swift must be the epitome of liberalism. If they are tolerant and inclusive than Taylor Swift must be the most tolerant and inclusive person to walk the earth.

I do think this kind of hero worship is part of what makes Taylor Swift annoying, even though it's coming from her fans. It's just behavior. It's okay if you are 14 but not if you are 30, and plenty of Swift fans are 30.

Let it go, man. Go touch grass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

Wait what? If being a democrat means you like Taylor Swift I guess I’m an independent who never voted Republican.

Also I bet you swift rarely votes and only recently started voting Dem. Guaranty her parents are conservative.

I don't care how people feel about TS's music, but she came out strong against Tennessee's horrifying Marsha Blackburn:
https://embed-testing.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-endorses-tennessee-democrats-in-rare-political-post/

And I have not idea what her parents' political persuasions are, but gosh, a liberal adult whose parents are way more conservative? That seems like fodder for the "she's not special" file.

The point is that Taylor Swift is not like some big Democratic booster (disliking Marsha Blackburn notwithstanding -- lots of Dems dislike Bernie Sanders and AOC but that doesn't make them Republicans). It is weird for anyone to associate Taylor Swift with being politically liberal, given that she is not very political at all.

Similarly, it's weird to associate DISliking Taylor Swift with hating Megan Markle and Lizzo, as a PP did, indicating that people who dislike Taylor Swift are... racist? Extremely confusing assumption!

I think actually what is happening is that some people are so obsessed with Taylor Swift that she represents everything they deem "good" in the world. If they are liberal than Taylor Swift must be the epitome of liberalism. If they are tolerant and inclusive than Taylor Swift must be the most tolerant and inclusive person to walk the earth.

I do think this kind of hero worship is part of what makes Taylor Swift annoying, even though it's coming from her fans. It's just behavior. It's okay if you are 14 but not if you are 30, and plenty of Swift fans are 30.

Let it go, man. Go touch grass.

You first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

Wait what? If being a democrat means you like Taylor Swift I guess I’m an independent who never voted Republican.

Also I bet you swift rarely votes and only recently started voting Dem. Guaranty her parents are conservative.

I don't care how people feel about TS's music, but she came out strong against Tennessee's horrifying Marsha Blackburn:
https://embed-testing.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/taylor-swift-endorses-tennessee-democrats-in-rare-political-post/

And I have not idea what her parents' political persuasions are, but gosh, a liberal adult whose parents are way more conservative? That seems like fodder for the "she's not special" file.

The point is that Taylor Swift is not like some big Democratic booster (disliking Marsha Blackburn notwithstanding -- lots of Dems dislike Bernie Sanders and AOC but that doesn't make them Republicans). It is weird for anyone to associate Taylor Swift with being politically liberal, given that she is not very political at all.

Similarly, it's weird to associate DISliking Taylor Swift with hating Megan Markle and Lizzo, as a PP did, indicating that people who dislike Taylor Swift are... racist? Extremely confusing assumption!

I think actually what is happening is that some people are so obsessed with Taylor Swift that she represents everything they deem "good" in the world. If they are liberal than Taylor Swift must be the epitome of liberalism. If they are tolerant and inclusive than Taylor Swift must be the most tolerant and inclusive person to walk the earth.

I do think this kind of hero worship is part of what makes Taylor Swift annoying, even though it's coming from her fans. It's just behavior. It's okay if you are 14 but not if you are 30, and plenty of Swift fans are 30.

Let it go, man. Go touch grass.

You first.

I see comparison to Lizzo- and Markle-haters was spot on. What you all share is a frothing, deranged hatred, where you just are obsessed with someone you don’t know and will never meet like a starving dog on a bone. It’s weird, man. I wonder where your parents went wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all I need to see in an article to know that the author has an agenda:

“She preaches female friendship but would never risk album sales with overtly feminist activity.”

I think it's a reference to the fact that Swift has been very mum on most major feminist issues, including abortion. She also didn't say much of anything against Trump until like 2020, which is... late.

She has become a bit more political in recent years but is still super cautious. Like she she has supported the March for Our Lives, and has made some comments in support of both the LGBTQ+ community and eventually did denounce Trump and said she supported the protests that broke out after George Floyd's murder. Which is all good but still not overtly feminist.

But she's most likely to invoke feminism when it concerns something that directly involves her. I was glad to see she at least came out against the Supreme Court overturning Roe but honestly, until then I suspected she was not pro-choice because she had been weirdly mum on the subject for such a prominent woman with so many fans who are directly impacted by the loss of abortion access.

That article is a little dated and I think pre-dates a lot of the the things I've mentioned here. Perhaps she's become more vocal due to this kind of criticism. But even that seems cynical. Most people if given a massive platform would want to speak out on issues that are important to them. Instead it feels like Taylor mostly speaks to advocate for herself and wants people to view her as an avatar for all women. But that's very different than how many other celebrities use their fame to draw attention to people who are much less fortunate than them and rally support for issues or programs that don't necessarily stand to benefit them personally.

I don't disagree with what you said . But, i feel like all these years , it seems people like you have missed the point : A huge part of her success is precisely tied to her lack of activism—something to which a lot of her fans will never admit. Look at her , what exactly is so unique ? Nothing. She looks like every other sorority girl who values her worth by whether or not she has a boyfriend, her music sounds creepily childish and vapid. This isn't the 80s when the likes of Janet Jackson and Madonna burst unto the scene with aesthetics, music and personas that were completely different .

Swift doesn't sell music as much as she sells perpetually wronged ingenue white girl victimhood coupled with that lack of activism. So, her invocation of feminism only when it involves HER interest(s) should come as a surprise to anyone who has taken the time to know this country. That mindset is what led to the term: White feminism. Does it say something about her? or does it say a lot about that faction of white America that comprises 98% of her fan base .

I agree with you regarding Swift's lack of activism, but I'm not sure I really get why you (and many others) keep referencing selling herself as a victim. There were specific incidents in her career (Kayne West and her masters in particular) where was actually wronged, and those events had a significant impact on her life and career. But beyond the reactions to those, I don't really get what else people are talking about here that she is portraying a victim.

[Anonymous]

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The point is that Taylor Swift is not like some big Democratic booster (disliking Marsha Blackburn notwithstanding -- lots of Dems dislike Bernie Sanders and AOC but that doesn't make them Republicans). It is weird for anyone to associate Taylor Swift with being politically liberal, given that she is not very political at all.

A. Honestly, when people complain about AOC or any of the other Democrats on the left side of the spectrum, I think about how closely the current "moderate" Dems align with 1970s Republicans. Reagan showed up and turned the Republicans into the party that has cornered the market on racism, anti-feminism, and union-busting.

I don't know how any of us can opine on how political Taylor is or is not. When she first started speaking up, she said that when she was a teenager, she focused on music, not politics, but a decade later, she was speaking up. She's not writing protest song after protest song, but in the songs I've heard and the interview snippets I've read, it's pretty clear which way she leans. I'm not sure how overt someone has to be to "be political" in your eyes.

[Anonymous]

I’m already over her Midnight promo. It’s annoying and performative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m already over her Midnight promo. It’s annoying and performative.

I have seen exactly one thing about her new album, and I actually own some TS music, so it's not as though I'm avoiding all things Taylor. It feels like maybe you're going out of your way to see and be annoyed by her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

PP who doesn’t get Madonna. I am of the right age. I wanted to love her music. But I really can’t stand her voice and the music itself is so very basic, especially when you consider what else was happening then…Bangles on the fun side—so talented. Alison Moyet. Sinead O’Connor. Kate Bush. Tracy Chapman. Michelle Shocked.

I don’t agree that Taylor Swift’s music shares much genetic material with Madonna’s; I can see the care taken to create iconic images as being influenced by Madonna—more power to both of them—but not the music itself. Your song list above is pretty much an illustration of the worst of 80s pop.

You know the Bangles were all Prince, right? The Bangles wouldn't have been anything without him -- he wrote their music, he created them. Just like Sheila E.

Not sure how you can compare some of those singers to Madonna -- Tracy Chapman was a one hit wonder.