Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I watched the documentary on this recently. Sam's texts to her are the biggest reason why I don't believe he killed her.

Let's say he killed her. He murdered her, went to the gym for an alibi, and then wanted to send her texts saying he was locked out to further the evidence of suicide.

If that were you, what kind of texts would you send? Wouldn't you send texts like, "honey, I'm locked out! Can you open the door?" "Is everything ok? I'm worried about you." etc...that made you seem like a nice, caring fiancé.

Instead, his texts are really angry and mean. If you know your fiancé is dead and you killed her and you want to make it look like suicide, what sane person would send angry, mean texts knowing it makes you look worse?

I agree with you. Also, I have a wonderful and loving husband. But I once locked him out of the house accidentally late in the evening and fell asleep. I can tell you he sent me some texts just like Sam. And my husband is wonderful so I don’t judge Sam based on that either. I’d be pissed too if I got locked out and no response to calls and knocking!

[Anonymous]

ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

Haven’t read the ME report, do have expertise (20 years practicing), don’t care what you believe about my profession on an anon message board. That’s my opinion. You seem mad about it, that’s your issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

And I’m Santa Claus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

You didn’t read the ME report which I’d assume you’d want to before making a claim like this as a ‘professional ER doc’

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

Haven’t read the ME report, do have expertise (20 years practicing), don’t care what you believe about my profession on an anon message board. That’s my opinion. You seem mad about it, that’s your issue.

LOLOL not mad just laughing about the internet lies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

Haven’t read the ME report, do have expertise (20 years practicing), don’t care what you believe about my profession on an anon message board. That’s my opinion. You seem mad about it, that’s your issue.

Well if you didn’t review the evidence then you don’t have an “expert” opinion so why bother stating your alleged qualifications

[Anonymous]

Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

This. No one can explain the “choice” to stab herself in the back of her head and neck. Which is difficult if not impossible to accomplish!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

I do understand why you and many others who have a passing familiarity with the death believe it is likely a homicide. And the recent documentary left out a huge amount of evidence and honestly was shameful. But if you look carefully at the actual evidence and consider the totality of the circumstances, I think most intelligent people will come to the conclusion that this was most likely a really bizarre and unusual suicide. And also, Ellen was suffering from an acute mental health issue at the time. And was taking some serious medication which can cause suicidal ideation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

She probably has a history of cutting/self-harm. While I understand that cutting itself is not necessarily a suicidal act, it does desensitize and sort of rehearse for suicide. So she could have started out cutting and ended up going the whole way. Also - the cut severing the spinal cord is apparently thought to have been caused by the autopsy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

She probably has a history of cutting/self-harm. While I understand that cutting itself is not necessarily a suicidal act, it does desensitize and sort of rehearse for suicide. So she could have started out cutting and ended up going the whole way. Also - the cut severing the spinal cord is apparently thought to have been caused by the autopsy.

No evidence that she had a history of self harm. No need to make things up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

She probably has a history of cutting/self-harm. While I understand that cutting itself is not necessarily a suicidal act, it does desensitize and sort of rehearse for suicide. So she could have started out cutting and ended up going the whole way. Also - the cut severing the spinal cord is apparently thought to have been caused by the autopsy.

No evidence that she had a history of self harm. No need to make things up.

+1 she would also have scars which would 100% have been mentioned in an autopsy report