Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will say it’s annoying when anyone on any side goes to Jeff. Stop it, do you want this thread to be shut down too? The Blake supporters certainly do.

What? It's clearly a Baldoni Bro running to Jeff. Talk about alternative facts. It's all you people have.

[Anonymous]

Wait, I thought the Blake supporters were all paid to post in this thread so why would we want to shut it down and lose our income, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting that the Epstein lawyer wasn’t with Blake yesterday lol

The sides are limited in who and how many people they can bring into the settlement conference with them. Spouses are not even allowed in the conference rooms (Emily Baldoni and Natasha Heath spent the day sitting in a nearby jury room and could not participate in the settlement conference at all, though their husbands could talk to them during breaks if they wished).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the Blake supporters were all paid to post in this thread so why would we want to shut it down and lose our income, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

Sufficient legal evidence is a low bar- it is just a circus of exploitation and a waste of resources. Imagine if the money spent on this crap actually went to survivors of SA, DV, or war and genocide. Instead we have to watch a white, blond, wealthy woman have a temper tantrum for the world to see. It's not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say it’s annoying when anyone on any side goes to Jeff. Stop it, do you want this thread to be shut down too? The Blake supporters certainly do.

What? It's clearly a Baldoni Bro running to Jeff. Talk about alternative facts. It's all you people have.

Yes, I just spoke to a friend who is also following this case and she said the "Baldoni Bro" person who is obsessed and posting 24/7 is probably Ryan Reynolds lmao. In which case, Jeff should probably know about that, or in an alternate situation, if bots are filling the forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

Sufficient legal evidence is a low bar- it is just a circus of exploitation and a waste of resources. Imagine if the money spent on this crap actually went to survivors of SA, DV, or war and genocide. Instead we have to watch a white, blond, wealthy woman have a temper tantrum for the world to see. It's not a good look.

Thanks for articulating your issue with this case so clearly. Maybe if your lord and savior, JB was a better man, he wouldn't be in this situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say it’s annoying when anyone on any side goes to Jeff. Stop it, do you want this thread to be shut down too? The Blake supporters certainly do.

What? It's clearly a Baldoni Bro running to Jeff. Talk about alternative facts. It's all you people have.

Yes, I just spoke to a friend who is also following this case and she said the "Baldoni Bro" person who is obsessed and posting 24/7 is probably Ryan Reynolds lmao. In which case, Jeff should probably know about that, or in an alternate situation, if bots are filling the forum.

That poster clocks in and clocks out of here as if on a schedule every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

+1

I've seen variations of the PP's argument many times, not just with regards to Lively/Baldoni, and it's really frustrating.

I have heard people argue that it's unfair to punish Louis C.K. for his behavior because, after all, it's not as bad as what Weinstein did. And sure, I agree LCK is not as bad as Weinstein. But LCK exposed himself and jerked off in front of female comedians on his tour, without their consent. I can't be mad at him for that? I can't decide, you know what, I don't want to support or give my money to someone who treats women he works with that way? Of course I can, it's gross. I would be so traumatized if that happened to me. The comedians he did that to pretty much left comedy, and I get why. Is he a rapist? No. Is what he did okay? Also no.

And Baldoni is on that same continuum IMO. I don't think he's like an evil dude (I increasingly do think Sarowitz is, but that's true of so many billionaires). I think he's tone deaf and misogynist and created a really awful workplace for women. I don't think he should go to jail but I am FINE with him being sued under existing employment law for the mistakes he made in running this movie, and also in him being publicly exposed for his behavior. People can decide for themselves if they want to continue to support him as a director or actor or producer based on the truth coming out. I will choose not to support him, other people will make their own choices.

But I see nothing wrong in simply telling people what happened, or in Blake's case pursuing the remedies available to her under the law. I don't see how you can call yourself a feminist and then argue that Blake had some kind of duty to stay quiet about her experience? Why?

[Anonymous]

Just because they did not settle yesterday does not mean that there can be no more settlement talks. They still have three more months to go.

My head just spins with what this must be costing everyone. I can’t imagine Blake wanting to take this all the way to trial. I’m betting yesterday was not fun and a trial will be even less fun.

I think her team should’ve dropped the case after Baldoni‘s lawsuit was tossed. They could have generated some really good headlines, and spun Justin as the loser. Led with the fact that his case had no merit, but that they didn’t want to continue with months and months of trial preparation and that Blake just wanted to move on or something and blame how society treats women who take the stand and so on and so forth. That would’ve been at least an out and saved them from this latest text and email dump that her team must have told her would not be allowed to remain sealed? I know they tried that, but that had to have been a long shot. Not to mention all these months of legal fees.

By now they could be turning the narrative and focusing on rebuilding her image. Instead they are in this holding pattern where they can’t start a new story until after the trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

+1

I've seen variations of the PP's argument many times, not just with regards to Lively/Baldoni, and it's really frustrating.

I have heard people argue that it's unfair to punish Louis C.K. for his behavior because, after all, it's not as bad as what Weinstein did. And sure, I agree LCK is not as bad as Weinstein. But LCK exposed himself and jerked off in front of female comedians on his tour, without their consent. I can't be mad at him for that? I can't decide, you know what, I don't want to support or give my money to someone who treats women he works with that way? Of course I can, it's gross. I would be so traumatized if that happened to me. The comedians he did that to pretty much left comedy, and I get why. Is he a rapist? No. Is what he did okay? Also no.

And Baldoni is on that same continuum IMO. I don't think he's like an evil dude (I increasingly do think Sarowitz is, but that's true of so many billionaires). I think he's tone deaf and misogynist and created a really awful workplace for women. I don't think he should go to jail but I am FINE with him being sued under existing employment law for the mistakes he made in running this movie, and also in him being publicly exposed for his behavior. People can decide for themselves if they want to continue to support him as a director or actor or producer based on the truth coming out. I will choose not to support him, other people will make their own choices.

But I see nothing wrong in simply telling people what happened, or in Blake's case pursuing the remedies available to her under the law. I don't see how you can call yourself a feminist and then argue that Blake had some kind of duty to stay quiet about her experience? Why?

The other PP told us why, she's rich, pretty and blonde. She's not like them, they get to decide who the real victims are based on superficial criteria, not facts or law. How dare she, in their minds. Why not let Blake have her day in court? How does that hurt anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

Sufficient legal evidence is a low bar- it is just a circus of exploitation and a waste of resources. Imagine if the money spent on this crap actually went to survivors of SA, DV, or war and genocide. Instead we have to watch a white, blond, wealthy woman have a temper tantrum for the world to see. It's not a good look.

How is filing a lawsuit "throwing a tantrum." That's a weird way to characterize it. Did you read Lively's deposition? She is clearly not just throwing a tantrum. Whether you agree with her or not, she obviously feels genuinely injured by what Wayfarer and Baldoni did to her, and is pursuing what she believes to be justice. It's not a frivolous suit and she's gone to great lengths to prove her case.

If she can't prove it, she will lose. That's how the courts work. It's literally what the civil court system is for.

Also, as someone who has volunteered and raised money for survivors of sexual violence for decades now, this is not an either/or. You can raise money for survivors who, unlike Lively, lack the resources to get the help they need. IME high profile women speaking out on these issues tends to help the movement. It all helps. And there are lots of women who, like Lively, experienced much lower level harassment and discrimination in the workplace and told themselves "oh I'm not a real survivor, this isn't that big of a deal." But even these less severe experiences add up and can really impact people over time. It can hurt careers and impact your mental health. People deserve safe, respectful workplaces, regardless of their gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch Blake and Ryan, the mega narcissists, go down. The day is coming soon!!

We know, Baldoni Bro, we know.

I’m actually a woman that’s worked with DV survivors since I was in college. Now 45. I’ve never seen such a frivolous lawsuit in my life that is an insult to women who are actually survivors of DV, SA, and SH. This is doing a massive disservice to the whole community. It does seem that there is one specific Blake troll on here who is posting way too much. I will ask Jeff about it.

Your personal experience is pretty irrelevant to a lawsuit. Employers are legally not allowed to create workplace environment that is toxic, hostile, uncomfortable for any specific group of people…be it women or African Americans or Jews or Muslims. Being a director and a boss doesn’t give you carte blanche to make a protected class of people uncomfortable in their workplace. Although Blake brought the case, there is testimony from multiple women about being made to feel uncomfortable on set. Workplace sexual harassment doesn’t require sexual comments or actions, it is about harassment based on sex (being male / female) and treating the women on set differently from the men in a way that makes the women uncomfortable. There has been sufficient legal evidence to support that claim to get this case all the way to trial.

+1

I've seen variations of the PP's argument many times, not just with regards to Lively/Baldoni, and it's really frustrating.

I have heard people argue that it's unfair to punish Louis C.K. for his behavior because, after all, it's not as bad as what Weinstein did. And sure, I agree LCK is not as bad as Weinstein. But LCK exposed himself and jerked off in front of female comedians on his tour, without their consent. I can't be mad at him for that? I can't decide, you know what, I don't want to support or give my money to someone who treats women he works with that way? Of course I can, it's gross. I would be so traumatized if that happened to me. The comedians he did that to pretty much left comedy, and I get why. Is he a rapist? No. Is what he did okay? Also no.

And Baldoni is on that same continuum IMO. I don't think he's like an evil dude (I increasingly do think Sarowitz is, but that's true of so many billionaires). I think he's tone deaf and misogynist and created a really awful workplace for women. I don't think he should go to jail but I am FINE with him being sued under existing employment law for the mistakes he made in running this movie, and also in him being publicly exposed for his behavior. People can decide for themselves if they want to continue to support him as a director or actor or producer based on the truth coming out. I will choose not to support him, other people will make their own choices.

But I see nothing wrong in simply telling people what happened, or in Blake's case pursuing the remedies available to her under the law. I don't see how you can call yourself a feminist and then argue that Blake had some kind of duty to stay quiet about her experience? Why?

Agree that there is nuance, but are you honestly comparing Baldoni to Louis CK?

In that case, I would say he has every right to defend himself as well and to come out with the receipts. People can decide for themselves like you said most people aren’t really paying much attention to this because it’s not very salacious and it’s not black-and-white in terms of whi is good and evil. Blake has her supporters, but the women of Hollywood are not cheering her on that finally someone had the guts and the resources to take an abuser to court. The things that happen are pretty mild. You would think yesterday there would be a bunch of female celebs tweeting or posting on Instagram in solidarity but nothing. Not even her supposed besties like Gigi and the sisterhood girls? The silence from Hollywood on this speaks volumes, especially on a day like yesterday.

It’s pretty clear from all the Sony correspondence that we’ve seen when this was going on that nobody was raising sexual harassment issues. They didn’t seem to really like Baldoni or Blake. They seemed annoyed with both but nobody escalated or seemed concerned about this as late as August 2024, months after filming had wrapped. They were calling it “orchestrated drama.” It just didn’t seem like anyone who was there in the day-to-day and knew the complaints and the stress and the disagreements existed, would describe it as sexual harassment.

The executives who said she was a terrorist and she would never work again and things weren’t like, but let’s remember this was an incredibly stressful and traumatic time on set. They were just like writing her off. And many of those were women.

I’m not saying she doesn’t have a right to bring this case to trial, I’m just not sure that in the end it will have been worth it to her.

[Anonymous]

Love how the Blake bots dismiss the experiences of people on Baldoni’s side, saying it’s irrelevant, when they’ve been constantly bringing up their own personal experience with SH in the workplace in this thread and how Justin reminds them of toxic people in their life. Just like Blake, rules for thee but not for me.