Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paywall. Can you summarize?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

I do understand why you and many others who have a passing familiarity with the death believe it is likely a homicide. And the recent documentary left out a huge amount of evidence and honestly was shameful. But if you look carefully at the actual evidence and consider the totality of the circumstances, I think most intelligent people will come to the conclusion that this was most likely a really bizarre and unusual suicide. And also, Ellen was suffering from an acute mental health issue at the time. And was taking some serious medication which can cause suicidal ideation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

She probably has a history of cutting/self-harm. While I understand that cutting itself is not necessarily a suicidal act, it does desensitize and sort of rehearse for suicide. So she could have started out cutting and ended up going the whole way. Also - the cut severing the spinal cord is apparently thought to have been caused by the autopsy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

She probably has a history of cutting/self-harm. While I understand that cutting itself is not necessarily a suicidal act, it does desensitize and sort of rehearse for suicide. So she could have started out cutting and ended up going the whole way. Also - the cut severing the spinal cord is apparently thought to have been caused by the autopsy.

No evidence that she had a history of self harm. No need to make things up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, some people die by impulsive suicidal acts and some people by violent and bizarrely placed stabbing. For the most part, though, those groups would not overlap.

Stabbing through your spine and into the back of your neck would be more credible (though still incredibly unusual) if she long history of self mutilation or violence (or was severely impaired w drugs or alcohol at the time.)

The “history of mental illness” she has is not that of a long and serious battle with her mental health. Many women posting here will have had periods of depression where they needed medication and sought counseling at some point in their lives!

Obviously I don’t know what happened but I am in the field and I find the specifics of the suicide story very, very difficult to believe.

She probably has a history of cutting/self-harm. While I understand that cutting itself is not necessarily a suicidal act, it does desensitize and sort of rehearse for suicide. So she could have started out cutting and ended up going the whole way. Also - the cut severing the spinal cord is apparently thought to have been caused by the autopsy.

No evidence that she had a history of self harm. No need to make things up.

+1 she would also have scars which would 100% have been mentioned in an autopsy report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just read this article in Wapo and then searched other articles on the case.

Seems pretty likely to me the fiancé did it. Especially since the security guard, when pressed, admitted he wasn’t actually there when Sam Goldberg (fiancé) broke down the door.

Anyone else following this? I hadn’t heard of it until today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/27/ellen-greenberg-suicide-stabbing/

Why isn't this thread in Entertainment?

[Anonymous]

I believe he killed her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

No another new independent ME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

No, I’m just a regular person who had long been fascinated by this case.

You are quoting the greenberg’s attorney! Cut us a break! Geez. He’s been hired to spin the facts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just read this article in Wapo and then searched other articles on the case.

Seems pretty likely to me the fiancé did it. Especially since the security guard, when pressed, admitted he wasn’t actually there when Sam Goldberg (fiancé) broke down the door.

Anyone else following this? I hadn’t heard of it until today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/27/ellen-greenberg-suicide-stabbing/

Why isn't this thread in Entertainment?

Because neither murder nor suicide are entertainment. Coverage of them can be (podcasts, etc) but this thread is about the event itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ER doc here. Taken care of many DV victims, more than one self-inflicted stab wound patient. Wounds in this case are too many, too deep, for a person to complete them all autonomously. You can either get a ton in that are superficial or one or two big ones. Not both. He killed her.

Nope. And don’t believe you are an ER doc. And if you are, you haven’t read the ME report and have no real expertise. Most were not deep, they were hesitation wounds which is common. and also, there were no defensive wounds.

The wish washy, flip floppy ME?

Again, you obviously haven’t delved into the actual facts

You are clearly a Sam Stan. He new wife perhaps? MIL? Here are just a few issues with the new report:

"It includes false claims like the assertion that a stab wound in Ellen’s spinal column was made during the autopsy, a theory rejected by every credible expert, including the City’s own neuropathologist," Podraza said in a statement.

"By ignoring key evidence that contradicts suicide, the extensive 3D photogrammetry, a recreation which proves Ellen could not self-inflict all the wounds, unexplained bruises, missing surveillance footage, an intact lock, accounts of a toxic relationship," he said.

No, I’m just a regular person who had long been fascinated by this case.

You are quoting the greenberg’s attorney! Cut us a break! Geez. He’s been hired to spin the facts

What do you refute of what he said?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just read this article in Wapo and then searched other articles on the case.

Seems pretty likely to me the fiancé did it. Especially since the security guard, when pressed, admitted he wasn’t actually there when Sam Goldberg (fiancé) broke down the door.

Anyone else following this? I hadn’t heard of it until today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/27/ellen-greenberg-suicide-stabbing/

Why isn't this thread in Entertainment?

Because neither murder nor suicide are entertainment. Coverage of them can be (podcasts, etc) but this thread is about the event itself.

+1. And the people involved are not famous.