“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:Welp. Looks like my pro-life sympathetic reply was removed. This really isn't a place for discourse I suppose.


There's definitely a one-sided agenda to this forum. Just have to accept it. It's a private forum. Most posters here want people to believe mist abortions are done for extreme medical reasons. That's not the truth, or there wouldn't have been over 60 million aborted babies since Roe vs Wade.


I don’t think anyone thinks first trimester abortions are done for extreme medical reasons. Those make up the majority of abortions (I’m assuming you already know this).


The NIPT is done at nine weeks, so plenty of people terminate very wanted pregnancies to prevent having a child who suffers from extreme medical issues.


My mistake. My point was that most abortions are performed in the first trimester and that most aren’t for medical issues with the fetus.
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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


It is extremely rare, yes. But it’s definitely not “no one.” This woman aborted her healthy 7-month fetus. The mother’s life/health also were not in danger.

“ Vial was 22 at the time. She had recently ended her relationship and said she was sure she did not want to continue the pregnancy.

"I was already having a tough time in my life in a lot of other ways and it just felt like one more thing I really couldn't bear, or provide for, and I was panicked, I guess," Vial said.

Vial found a clinic in New Mexico that told her they would end her pregnancy up until 28 weeks — the beginning of the third trimester.

She scrambled, with the help of family, friends and a nonprofit that helps women pay for abortions, to pull together the fee of more than $10,000.

"[There were] a lot of people telling me how they felt about my situation without me asking — friends, family, strangers," Vial said. "I mean, you tell someone that you're seven months pregnant and having an abortion, they've got some things to say."

"People I thought were my friends made it clear to me that they disapproved," she said. "And that's fine. It wasn't changing my mind."”


Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights


Ok, you found one anecdotal case, congratulations.

This is not a habitual issue and certainly not one that warrant an outright ban on abortions to counter.
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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


It is extremely rare, yes. But it’s definitely not “no one.” This woman aborted her healthy 7-month fetus. The mother’s life/health also were not in danger.

“ Vial was 22 at the time. She had recently ended her relationship and said she was sure she did not want to continue the pregnancy.

"I was already having a tough time in my life in a lot of other ways and it just felt like one more thing I really couldn't bear, or provide for, and I was panicked, I guess," Vial said.

Vial found a clinic in New Mexico that told her they would end her pregnancy up until 28 weeks — the beginning of the third trimester.

She scrambled, with the help of family, friends and a nonprofit that helps women pay for abortions, to pull together the fee of more than $10,000.

"[There were] a lot of people telling me how they felt about my situation without me asking — friends, family, strangers," Vial said. "I mean, you tell someone that you're seven months pregnant and having an abortion, they've got some things to say."

"People I thought were my friends made it clear to me that they disapproved," she said. "And that's fine. It wasn't changing my mind."”


Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights


Ok, you found one anecdotal case, congratulations.

This is not a habitual issue and certainly not one that warrant an outright ban on abortions to counter.


But that’s what they do. One mtf trans athlete in a state so let’s all trans athletes from participating in school sports. One abortion for reasons other than physical health after possible viability* for reasons other than physical** health of the mother or fetus so let’s ban all abortions, even for children who are raped by their parents.

*I sincerely think, based on past examples of ignorance of Republican politicians and the American public at large, but especially conservative religious anti choice types, that people think viability means the baby will likely live and become a healthy, neurotypical, fully functional adult. Babies born prematurely are at higher risk for all sorts of health issues. The earlier they’re born, the more significant risks they face. It’s not like you can give women an option of carrying to 24 weeks then letting her deliver a healthy baby instead of having an abortion.

**A lot of people are discounting mental health. As usual, mental health, especially of women, is written off as less important than, say, something that isn’t even alive yet but will compound any mental health issues she has as well as add physical changes to her body and financial strains to her life and relationships for the next 18+ years.
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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Unless the baby is guilty you don't execute


Why not? We have executed many people over the years who turned out to be not guilty.


Ok how about an abortion court


So you admit you can’t defend opposing abortion while supporting the death penalty, so all you can do is dodge the question.


Death penalty is given after a court listens to the case, aborting doesn't have any sue process. Not saying that it needs to but the idea of the death penalty has due process in a court of law.
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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


It is extremely rare, yes. But it’s definitely not “no one.” This woman aborted her healthy 7-month fetus. The mother’s life/health also were not in danger.

“ Vial was 22 at the time. She had recently ended her relationship and said she was sure she did not want to continue the pregnancy.

"I was already having a tough time in my life in a lot of other ways and it just felt like one more thing I really couldn't bear, or provide for, and I was panicked, I guess," Vial said.

Vial found a clinic in New Mexico that told her they would end her pregnancy up until 28 weeks — the beginning of the third trimester.

She scrambled, with the help of family, friends and a nonprofit that helps women pay for abortions, to pull together the fee of more than $10,000.

"[There were] a lot of people telling me how they felt about my situation without me asking — friends, family, strangers," Vial said. "I mean, you tell someone that you're seven months pregnant and having an abortion, they've got some things to say."

"People I thought were my friends made it clear to me that they disapproved," she said. "And that's fine. It wasn't changing my mind."”


Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights


Ok, you found one anecdotal case, congratulations.

This is not a habitual issue and certainly not one that warrant an outright ban on abortions to counter.


One is too many. That it’s legal is revolting.
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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


Oh, and we should believe YOU?
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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Unless the baby is guilty you don't execute


Why not? We have executed many people over the years who turned out to be not guilty.


Ok how about an abortion court


So you admit you can’t defend opposing abortion while supporting the death penalty, so all you can do is dodge the question.


Death penalty is given after a court listens to the case, aborting doesn't have any sue process. Not saying that it needs to but the idea of the death penalty has due process in a court of law.


And sometimes that court gets it wrong and an innocent person is murdered Asa result. But you’re okay with that, probably at least in part because they are disproportionately Black so you see them as lesser people to begin with.
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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


It is extremely rare, yes. But it’s definitely not “no one.” This woman aborted her healthy 7-month fetus. The mother’s life/health also were not in danger.

“ Vial was 22 at the time. She had recently ended her relationship and said she was sure she did not want to continue the pregnancy.

"I was already having a tough time in my life in a lot of other ways and it just felt like one more thing I really couldn't bear, or provide for, and I was panicked, I guess," Vial said.

Vial found a clinic in New Mexico that told her they would end her pregnancy up until 28 weeks — the beginning of the third trimester.

She scrambled, with the help of family, friends and a nonprofit that helps women pay for abortions, to pull together the fee of more than $10,000.

"[There were] a lot of people telling me how they felt about my situation without me asking — friends, family, strangers," Vial said. "I mean, you tell someone that you're seven months pregnant and having an abortion, they've got some things to say."

"People I thought were my friends made it clear to me that they disapproved," she said. "And that's fine. It wasn't changing my mind."”


Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights


Ok, you found one anecdotal case, congratulations.

This is not a habitual issue and certainly not one that warrant an outright ban on abortions to counter.


One is too many. That it’s legal is revolting.


One innocent person subjected to the death penalty is one too many. That it’s legal is revolting. And yet you are fine with the death penalty, because it’s not really about the supposed taking of life for you, just your desire to control women and make them bend to your will.
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The forced birthers are obsessed with late abortions when it’s bodily autonomy, all abortions and birth control that are on the line.

I know it’s real people typing out their obsession with fetuses, but it’s… weird. This is what they were brainwashed on, this is their talking points. They don’t want to address how forced birthers are happy to strip women of their rights as humans and citizens, how we women will have fewer legal bodily protections than a corpse would.

And they sure don’t want to address how they actively work to make life more dangerous, more polluted, less happy, hungrier, more lead filled for the living. Congratulations, you freaks have a fetus fetish. Keep your twisted interests to yourselves and work to improve the actual world instead of your near-literal navel gazing.
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Anonymous wrote:As I have raged and mourned this draft opinion in conversation with my early 20's self who could never have imagined this day two decades ago, one thought and feeling has hardened in my mind - anger at the "progressive" left. Their extremely self-righteous Twitter warriorism has cost not only women, but POC and LGBTQ people the basis of their rights. I truly hope they feel sitting out the election in 2016 was worth it. We have them and their ignorance of how politics actually works to blame for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. So much for their "idealism" - they've handed the extreme right-wing the keys to kingdom. When will they wake the f#$k up?


Sorry, but this falls squarely at the feet of "moderate liberals" who didn't feel the need to codify our rights in law. Who were content to stand behind "well it's settled precedent." Maybe instead of villifying progressives, you could start actually working with us to actually get something done. Continuing to blame us for all your problems and expecting us to support you in elections is crazy. When will y'all wake the f#ck up and realize the "moderate left" is playing you?


Oh, ok. Did you vote in 2010? Knew a LOT of progressives who sat out the midterms that year. And then bi*ched ad nauseum when Congress blocked everything Obama wanted to do. Then sat out 2016. We are not, have never been, and never will be a progressive left country. Read some damned history and keep letting your opinion of perfection be the enemy of the good.


Huge problem for dems. They need to get their heads out of their a$$es.
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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


It is extremely rare, yes. But it’s definitely not “no one.” This woman aborted her healthy 7-month fetus. The mother’s life/health also were not in danger.

“ Vial was 22 at the time. She had recently ended her relationship and said she was sure she did not want to continue the pregnancy.

"I was already having a tough time in my life in a lot of other ways and it just felt like one more thing I really couldn't bear, or provide for, and I was panicked, I guess," Vial said.

Vial found a clinic in New Mexico that told her they would end her pregnancy up until 28 weeks — the beginning of the third trimester.

She scrambled, with the help of family, friends and a nonprofit that helps women pay for abortions, to pull together the fee of more than $10,000.

"[There were] a lot of people telling me how they felt about my situation without me asking — friends, family, strangers," Vial said. "I mean, you tell someone that you're seven months pregnant and having an abortion, they've got some things to say."

"People I thought were my friends made it clear to me that they disapproved," she said. "And that's fine. It wasn't changing my mind."”


Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights


Ok, you found one anecdotal case, congratulations.

This is not a habitual issue and certainly not one that warrant an outright ban on abortions to counter.


One is too many. That it’s legal is revolting.


While I don't disagree it is revolting, it is legal and not your business.
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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Unless the baby is guilty you don't execute


Why not? We have executed many people over the years who turned out to be not guilty.


Ok how about an abortion court


So you admit you can’t defend opposing abortion while supporting the death penalty, so all you can do is dodge the question.


Death penalty is given after a court listens to the case, aborting doesn't have any sue process. Not saying that it needs to but the idea of the death penalty has due process in a court of law.


And sometimes that court gets it wrong and an innocent person is murdered Asa result. But you’re okay with that, probably at least in part because they are disproportionately Black so you see them as lesser people to begin with.


If yiu are concerned about a disproportionate number of Blacks, you should be very alarmed at the number of aborted Black bsbies.,
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Anonymous wrote:The forced birthers are obsessed with late abortions when it’s bodily autonomy, all abortions and birth control that are on the line.

I know it’s real people typing out their obsession with fetuses, but it’s… weird. This is what they were brainwashed on, this is their talking points. They don’t want to address how forced birthers are happy to strip women of their rights as humans and citizens, how we women will have fewer legal bodily protections than a corpse would.

And they sure don’t want to address how they actively work to make life more dangerous, more polluted, less happy, hungrier, more lead filled for the living. Congratulations, you freaks have a fetus fetish. Keep your twisted interests to yourselves and work to improve the actual world instead of your near-literal navel gazing.


No, it's not about a fetish with fetuses. It's about killing growing babies.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh look, yet another GOP governor saying they will work to pass legislation banning abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest.

I have news for Pete Ricketts: A 12 year old impregnated by her father is still a baby too.




And yet you know such people who have such a heart for embryos will tell you that those babies murdered at Sandy Hook were just collateral damage in the war to protect the right to bear arms. Disgusting.


You are posting untruths to prove your point. Many people opposed to abortion on demand don't own a gun and oppose capital punishment.
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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Unless the baby is guilty you don't execute


What about a fetus?


It's a growing baby with your family's DNA.
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