HBO The Undoing

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

+1. The ending provides clarity to the song's lyrics and the visuals.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

+1. The ending provides clarity to the song's lyrics and the visuals.

If you can’t understand the intro until the entire show is over, it was a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

Jonathon paid for all of it. The kid got in on scholarship. Jonathon financed her lifestyle. He borrowed 1/2 million from Grace’s father.

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He pretended to go to the medical conference to have a few days with Elena. They used to use the beach house for their trysts.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

Jonathon paid for all of it. The kid got in on scholarship. Jonathon financed her lifestyle. He borrowed 1/2 million from Grace’s father.

I don’t understand why he would do this if he was planning on leaving her.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/arts/television/the-undoing-finale-hugh-grant.html

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

Jonathon paid for all of it. The kid got in on scholarship. Jonathon financed her lifestyle. He borrowed 1/2 million from Grace’s father.

I don’t understand why he would do this if he was planning on leaving her.

He wasn’t planning to leave her until she moved in on his family.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

+1. The ending provides clarity to the song's lyrics and the visuals.

If you can’t understand the intro until the entire show is over, it was a failure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

+1. The ending provides clarity to the song's lyrics and the visuals.

If you can’t understand the intro until the entire show is over, it was a failure.

You think you understand the intro, and then at the end of the show, you realize it meant something out. Not a failure - smart.

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else not out, typing too fast

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/arts/television/the-undoing-finale-hugh-grant.html

fancy coat killed a baby - LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

+1. The ending provides clarity to the song's lyrics and the visuals.

If you can’t understand the intro until the entire show is over, it was a failure.

You think you understand the intro, and then at the end of the show, you realize it meant something out. Not a failure - smart.

I just don’t think it worked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

+1. The ending provides clarity to the song's lyrics and the visuals.

If you can’t understand the intro until the entire show is over, it was a failure.

You think you understand the intro, and then at the end of the show, you realize it meant something out. Not a failure - smart.

I just don’t think it worked.

NP. HBO’s intros are usually bad—I hated Big Little Lies’.

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I loved Big Little Lies intro. I made sure to see all the Monterey filming locations including the PCH bridge Nicole Kidman drives over during the opening. Lots of people to that single file dance in front of the camera and the song was big on Spotify's and Corepower's workout list.

The Undoing opening was just as great. And even better having Nicole Kidman sing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

A specialist in his position would go to conferences at least a few times a year, so pretending he was still going to conferences was a necessary part of maintaining the illusion that he was still employed.

NP. This was one part that didn't make sense to me. Even if they are a high income household with separate accounts, wouldn't his wife notice that his paychecks had stopped coming, or that they got dropped from their health insurance or that his work emails bounced or something? I find it really hard to believe you could be unemployed for months without your spouse figuring out that something was up. Also, she never ran into any of his colleagues or their spouses or former patients on the street or at the gym or anything? You'd think word would have gotten to her one way or another within a few weeks that he was out of a job.