HBO The Undoing

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Anonymous wrote:Music and Lyrics - 2007
Two Weeks Notice - 2002 or so.
Any another HG rom coms filmed in US?

2014 The Rewrite - Hollywood writer teaches in New England college.

So 3 rom coms in the US over a 40 year career.
Good to know.

Why are you so fixated on rom coms? He’s made other movies in the US.

yes that poster thinks Hugh Grant is a UK actor who rarely works in the US. That's fine. Let her think whatever she likes, she clearly lives under a rock.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

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Anonymous wrote:Hugh Grant. English
Nicole Kidman - Aussie
Donald Sutherland - Canadian
the kid who played Henry - English
The lawyer - English
the prosecution lawyer - Danish

Was there and American actor IN this?

I thought the same thing.

They say that acting requires the use of imagination, and that Americans are too literal to be able to do it well, hence the need to import foreign actors.

I think most of them are working in the US regularly (except the lawyers and the kid actors) so its safe to say these folks were not "imported"

Interestingly, Nicole Kidman is now on her 3rd non-US location filming since quarantine (when her family's Australian passports came in handy). But yes, she regularly work in the US.

Hugh Grant, however, does not "work in the US regularly".

He has made a bunch of rom-com flop movies IN THE US.

Let’s just agree with the fiction that 3 rom coms filmed in the US over a 40 year career is “a bunch” and we’ll LEAVE IT AT THAT.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

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Anonymous wrote:Kidman’s botox makes her look almost unrecognizable and the fillers on her upper lip are just weird.

I thought she looked gorgeous.

+1
She’s a year older than me and looks spectacular.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

This is true. I wonder why they made Grace so rich in the tv show. In the book, she is "upper middle class for Manhattan" and kind of struggling among the financial and media titans she associates with.

The house she escapes to is a tiny, unwinterized cabin on a lake upstate not a huge beach house in the Hamptons.

Yes, in the book, the party she goes to in the first episode was super weird and alienating for her. Jonathon didn't attend with her either and the whole thing is supposed to show us how isolated she is from other people, which is a major plotline in the novel later on. But in the tv show, Nicole Kidman fits right in so you don't get any of that effect.

They’ve changed it - so what? It’s “based” on the book, that’s all. Even the title was changed. Stop fixating on the book. This thread is about the TV show.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

I don't think every question was answered in the series but it's easy to make guesses based on how the series wrapped up. I'd offer mine but if you just started the series, my responses would probably ruin the ending for you!

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

She probably got a trial or day pass in order to be able to talk to Grace semi privately (and display her body, as one does).

Regarding the medical conference lie, Jonathan may have intended to spend that time with Elena.

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Reading that Hugh Grant spent hours reading Twitter about The Undoing made me really sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about the opening sequence of each episode?? Until the finale, I assumed the young red- headed girl was Grace as a little girl and then they show her in her wedding dress when she married Jonathon. But NOOO... the little girl was Jonathan’s 4 year old sister who died, and he purposely married Grace because she looked like his dead sister with the wavy red hair! What a sociopath!!!

That would seem to argue against his being a sociopath, wouldn’t it? If he’s haunted by the specter of this child and looks for her in a mate? Sociopaths don’t carry any emotional baggage. You can’t have it both ways.

Good point. But what other explanation is there?

Total coincidence. We redheads do exist!

Wouldn’t the obvious explanation be that the little girl simply represents Nicole Kidman as a child?

Especially with Nicole Kidman singing the track over the intro.

Rancid? I don't know what you mean by that. But I thought the intro did it's job well: the beautiful little girl and Nicole Kidman singing ... you just know you're being set up.

The whole intro was so rancid that I skipped over it every time, after watching it once in dumb horror.

It was completely vapid and nonsensical, and the song was terrible.

It wasn’t nonsensical if you watch the entire series and then watch the intro.

I think that it would be slightly better if you could watch the ending after the show and get a clearer idea what the ending meant. It was still unclear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading that Hugh Grant spent hours reading Twitter about The Undoing made me really sad.

Huh? Can you elaborate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I looked it up and Hugh Grant is 60 and Nicole Kidman is 53. They are about 15 years too old to play those characters, even in Manhattan and for their lifestyle.

Also, their witty sexual banter is like watching grandparents flirt.

Also, leave it to David E. Kelly to have a completely naked woman who is stunning in a locker room in the first episode.

DH and I thought the naked woman looked like Hispanic Jennifer Lawrence.

I’m not sure I can get into this one. It’s supposed to be mocking the ultra-rich, this time in NYC, but it ends up glorifying them.

I’m just now starting this series, so I haven’t read the thread - but some things don’t make sense to me. Elena wasn’t wealthy - her son attended the private school on scholarship. So how did she swing a fancy gym membership? Also, why doesn’t Grace ever ask Jonathan why he pretended to go to a medical conference in Cleveland? What was the point of that story, made up before the evening when Elena was killed?

A specialist in his position would go to conferences at least a few times a year, so pretending he was still going to conferences was a necessary part of maintaining the illusion that he was still employed.