Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

Cost of living of the areas where graduates settle would be a much bigger factor. Dartmouth graduates likely have significantly higher settlement rates in places like NYC, Boston, and the Northeast. Cost of living is likely considerably higher.

Context is everything. Santa Clara University has median earnings higher than Dartmouth. Is Santa Clara better than Dartmouth, or is that because Santa Clara graduates are much more likely to take jobs in Silicon Valley where the cost of living is ridiculously high?

Santa Clara students go into business, finance, tech. Dartmouth students go into public service and humanities.

Natural sciences and CS are two of the biggest areas of study at Dartmouth

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

Cost of living of the areas where graduates settle would be a much bigger factor. Dartmouth graduates likely have significantly higher settlement rates in places like NYC, Boston, and the Northeast. Cost of living is likely considerably higher.

Context is everything. Santa Clara University has median earnings higher than Dartmouth. Is Santa Clara better than Dartmouth, or is that because Santa Clara graduates are much more likely to take jobs in Silicon Valley where the cost of living is ridiculously high?

Santa Clara students go into business, finance, tech. Dartmouth students go into public service and humanities.

You don't know anything. Dartmouth graduates earn more than Santa Clara graduates in the fields of business, finance, and tech.

Dartmouth ranks 5th for pay of Bachelors degree graduates working in finance (about 9% of graduates)
Dartmouth ranks 15th for pay of Bachelors degree graduates working in tech (about 6.5% of graduates)
Dartmouth ranks 5th for pay of Bachelors degree graduates working in management consulting (about 6% of graduates)

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Anonymous wrote:No. A 2nd tier state school.

I love how someone on here keeps using this phrase as if "state school" is an insult. Particularly since it also applies to UC Berkeley, UVa, etc.

Don't put UVA in with UC Berkeley - they are not in the same league and not comparable. Put UVA in with UNC, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin etc.

Berkeley's greatness = three students in a double and 1,200-student courses taught by TAs who live out in the open air. Not an endorsement of Virginia; just an attack on Berkeley. W&M is better than either.

About 10% of Berkeley students experience homelessness according to reports.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

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Anonymous wrote:W&M needs a wider variety of majors.

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This is one reason, among several, my kids wouldn't consider it.

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

This thread is about "lack of interest" in William and Mary yet early decision applications are up 45% in just 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

This thread is about "lack of interest" in William and Mary yet early decision applications are up 45% in just 2 years.

This old thread is more about a person or two taking a swipe at a school they didn't attend and don't understand.

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Weird to dig up this thread
And the timing less than a week after ED admits/rejections are out is suspect.

But I’m hoping nothing has changed since OP posted four YEARS ago bc my DC has it on top of his list for all the reasons OP stated her DC hated it. I hope DCs kid ended up very happily attending Wake Forest.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

What is your vendetta against W&M? You've been attacking every opportunity you get for days nonstop. I smell a rejection or maybe just some sort of mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:No. A 2nd tier state school.

I love how someone on here keeps using this phrase as if "state school" is an insult. Particularly since it also applies to UC Berkeley, UVa, etc.

Don't put UVA in with UC Berkeley - they are not in the same league and not comparable. Put UVA in with UNC, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin etc.

Berkeley's greatness = three students in a double and 1,200-student courses taught by TAs who live out in the open air. Not an endorsement of Virginia; just an attack on Berkeley. W&M is better than either.

About 10% of Berkeley students experience homelessness according to reports.

Woe, that makes me respect Berkeley even more. Thanks for the information.

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

This thread is about "lack of interest" in William and Mary yet early decision applications are up 45% in just 2 years.

Seems like the college application process has split between kids who have figured out where they want to go early on and target that school and kids who are applying for reaches, safeties, and everything inbetween. We keep hearing from kids who got accepted at college after college that they never had any true interest in attending. Bragging rights?

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

Which website does UVA use to announce UVA news?