Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

Those numbers apply to students who received federal financial aid. My kids did not. Perhaps that's the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

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Anonymous wrote:No. A 2nd tier state school.

I love how someone on here keeps using this phrase as if "state school" is an insult. Particularly since it also applies to UC Berkeley, UVa, etc.

Don't put UVA in with UC Berkeley - they are not in the same league and not comparable. Put UVA in with UNC, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

what's your kid's major?
useless major at W&M, good luck

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

what's your kid's major?
useless major at W&M, good luck

What exactly is your problem? You do realize that W&M has a large premed program and that students there are accepted to med school at a higher rate than almost every school right?

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Anonymous wrote:No. A 2nd tier state school.

I love how someone on here keeps using this phrase as if "state school" is an insult. Particularly since it also applies to UC Berkeley, UVa, etc.

Don't put UVA in with UC Berkeley - they are not in the same league and not comparable. Put UVA in with UNC, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin etc.

Berkeley's greatness = three students in a double and 1,200-student courses taught by TAs who live out in the open air. Not an endorsement of Virginia; just an attack on Berkeley. W&M is better than either.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

what's your kid's major?
useless major at W&M, good luck

What exactly is your problem? You do realize that W&M has a large premed program and that students there are accepted to med school at a higher rate than almost every school right?

LMAO do you think Dartmouth doesn't have as many premed students and rich kids with connections?
What's wrong with these people???

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

what's your kid's major?
useless major at W&M, good luck

What exactly is your problem? You do realize that W&M has a large premed program and that students there are accepted to med school at a higher rate than almost every school right?

LMAO do you think Dartmouth doesn't have as many premed students and rich kids with connections?
What's wrong with these people???

Dartmouth does not publicize major data so we really have no idea.

Seriously, go troll somewhere else. We do not care what you have to say.

[Anonymous]

Typical DCUM. The comparison of W&M to Dartmouth was made by someone trying to put down W&M. Someone then responded by saying it is laughable to put them in the same sentence and then someone said the W&M boosters are crazy. Completely manufactured garbage.

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https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

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Anonymous wrote:https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

Looks like they've accepted more students in ED again. Another year of the acceptance rate dropping multiple percentage points!

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W&M needs a wider variety of majors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

Cost of living of the areas where graduates settle would be a much bigger factor. Dartmouth graduates likely have significantly higher settlement rates in places like NYC, Boston, and the Northeast. Cost of living is likely considerably higher.

Context is everything. Santa Clara University has median earnings higher than Dartmouth. Is Santa Clara better than Dartmouth, or is that because Santa Clara graduates are much more likely to take jobs in Silicon Valley where the cost of living is ridiculously high?

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

Cost of living of the areas where graduates settle would be a much bigger factor. Dartmouth graduates likely have significantly higher settlement rates in places like NYC, Boston, and the Northeast. Cost of living is likely considerably higher.

Context is everything. Santa Clara University has median earnings higher than Dartmouth. Is Santa Clara better than Dartmouth, or is that because Santa Clara graduates are much more likely to take jobs in Silicon Valley where the cost of living is ridiculously high?

Santa Clara students go into business, finance, tech. Dartmouth students go into public service and humanities.