Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

What is your vendetta against W&M? You've been attacking every opportunity you get for days nonstop. I smell a rejection or maybe just some sort of mental illness.

Huh? Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice does suggest a vast inferiority complex on your part.

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

Which website does UVA use to announce UVA news?

DCUM and the UVA booster's account specifically 😋

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

Not if you have any semblance of reading comprehensive. The comparison here is on school size, not prestige.

That's a stretch.

W&M doesn't belong in the same sentence with Dartmouth or Rice, regardless of "context."

DCUM boosters. Yeesh.

Clearly I used it in the same sentence and compared their sizes, what are you going to do about it?

Dartmouth and Rice are T20 colleges around 4500 students. Peers.

W&M is top 50ish, probably the 3rd best college in Virginia, 7000 students.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

What is your vendetta against W&M? You've been attacking every opportunity you get for days nonstop. I smell a rejection or maybe just some sort of mental illness.

Huh? Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice does suggest a vast inferiority complex on your part.

They were talking about school sizes. You need to calm down.

vast inferiority complex

Seek help please.

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Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

Which website does UVA use to announce UVA news?

DCUM and the UVA booster's account specifically 😋

+100

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Anonymous wrote:We are no longer interested in W&M because of their students’ verbal attacks on Jewish W&M students and the brick-throwing incident at the (Katherine Rowe, Jewish) president’s home. It is not for us but good luck to everyone else.

Wow, I hadn't heard about these things - could you please tell us more?

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/virginia/williamsburg/brick-thrown-william-mary-presidents-home-university-spokesperson-confirms/291-0542584c-c566-4999-9bd4-4e10f7931c2e

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/williamsburg/jewish-wm-students-say-other-students-verbally-assaulted-them-due-to-war-in-israel/amp/

Terrible!! Thanks for the links.

You’re welcome. Good luck to parents and students as you decide on colleges.

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Getting back to the original post, I'm not seeing any lack of interest in W&M. It's insanely popular at my kid's public.

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Anonymous wrote:I think William and Mary is a love it or hate it place - and both my kids hated it because of the vibe ((seemed) not fun, very academic, town is touristy and not much to do, a lot of talk about pressure and how to relieve stress by our tour guide) - this vibe even carried over in the video they played on the tour a few years ago). All of this said, the school knows who it is and I like that about it - they don't try to pretend to be something they are not to appease the US News BS. Other institutions with similar reputations (U of C) are trying to seem cooler and more relevant to keep their ratings up - and somehow that seems sad to me. Students of all types need a home and that's why when the program works for a W&M student they hit it out of the park.

All true. Virginia is fortunate to have the only public in the United States that, in essence, is a SLAC. That will appeal to those who are going to college to study and learn versus the rah-rah partiers. It's all a good thing. The Commonwealth has 30 public institutions (including community college) to choose from. There is something for everyone.

Not to nitpick, BUT that's not quite true. St Mary's (MD), College of NJ and UNC Asheville come to mind as others. Probably more.

Only US public National (vs regional or SLAC) U.

William and Mary may be the only national public university that is similar in undergraduate enrollment (and residential nature) to many of the selective, prestigious privates (5-10K). For undergraduate study, almost all prestigious public schools are significantly larger (and less residential) than their private counterparts. William and Mary couples this with having more focus on undergraduate study (and faculty mentored research) rather than graduate programs and sponsored research.

W&M is comparable to Dartmouth and Rice in that regard (although less recognized and with less research of course), but I don't think you can compare it to the rest of the T20 just because its undergraduate population sizes are similar. All the T20s sans Dartmouth are major research universities. Columbia for example has a undergrad population of 6k and a grad population of 26k.

Comparing W&M to Dartmouth and Rice is laughable.

DP. I'm afraid so. Someone has quite the inflated view of W&M...

Not really. I've had one DC go to WM and 2 go to schools comparable or better than Dartmouth/Rice, and the WM kid had just as good an education and post-grad outcome as the other 2 kids.

WM is a bargain.

Of course it's a bargain for VA instate vs private full pay.
That's about it.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?182670-Dartmouth-College
Dartmouth = $95,540

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?231624-William-Mary
W&M = $69,897

Stop making embarrassing comparisons.

This is meaningless because it does not consider major. Also again Dartmouth has engineering.


Your vendetta is INSANE

Cost of living of the areas where graduates settle would be a much bigger factor. Dartmouth graduates likely have significantly higher settlement rates in places like NYC, Boston, and the Northeast. Cost of living is likely considerably higher.

Context is everything. Santa Clara University has median earnings higher than Dartmouth. Is Santa Clara better than Dartmouth, or is that because Santa Clara graduates are much more likely to take jobs in Silicon Valley where the cost of living is ridiculously high?

Santa Clara students go into business, finance, tech. Dartmouth students go into public service and humanities.

Natural sciences and CS are two of the biggest areas of study at Dartmouth

We’ve hired several CS majors from Dartmouth in the last couple of years and they’ve been outstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:No. A 2nd tier state school.

I love how someone on here keeps using this phrase as if "state school" is an insult. Particularly since it also applies to UC Berkeley, UVa, etc.

Don't put UVA in with UC Berkeley - they are not in the same league and not comparable. Put UVA in with UNC, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin etc.

Berkeley's greatness = three students in a double and 1,200-student courses taught by TAs who live out in the open air. Not an endorsement of Virginia; just an attack on Berkeley. W&M is better than either.

About 10% of Berkeley students experience homelessness according to reports.

Woe, that makes me respect Berkeley even more. Thanks for the information.

Woe is right, although I'm not sure that is what you meant.

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Perfectly respectable school.
Efforts to get a boost in the rankings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From two hours ago "Numbers indicate that W&M is the top choice for many prospective students"

https://news.wm.edu/2023/12/20/william-mary-sees-another-significant-increase-in-early-decision-applications/

From the W&M website, no less!

Which website does UVA use to announce UVA news?

DCUM and the UVA booster's account specifically 😋

Please keep in mind that when you, a troll, pretend to be a UVa booster, you’re actually boosting UVa. Please stop doing that and just help the rest of us tear it to shreds.

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Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

None of that is true. But you don't really care about truth, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

It's definitely become more of a party/sports school in the last couple years. And the suicide rate thing is total BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

I remember all those suicides some years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to the kids, high pressure, low fun is about right. High suicide rate, it’s up there with Cornell. Look it up.

Cornell is no higher than any other competitive school.