Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

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Anonymous wrote:They just reported an increase (again) in ED applications.

They’ve also been reported on for antisemitism on campus:


https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/williamsburg/jewish-wm-students-say-other-students-verbally-assaulted-them-due-to-war-in-israel/amp/

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/virginia/williamsburg/brick-thrown-william-mary-presidents-home-university-spokesperson-confirms/291-0542584c-c566-4999-9bd4-4e10f7931c2e

Every single school with politically aware students has supposedly been reported for antisemitism. It seems a deliberate strategy to stifle any criticism of Israel

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it?

PP was referring to W&M’s significant gay man population, I think. The way I’ve heard that “joke” (such as it is) is William & Larry, which at least rhymes with its actual name. Also Lou Holtz was a football coach there a while back and said they had “not enough William, and too much Mary”.

Sounds like a macho homophobe.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

Sure, but again the Colonial Conference is not going to be anywhere as rowdy as the Big 10, SEC, even ACC, etc.

Ok and?

That's the point. Some students want massive sport events with rowdy tailgates and what not. Not what I prefer, but that's what some students want and what W&M does not have.

Some do, some don't.
Two of the most applied private schools from the DMV area are NYU and Northeastern.
Both close to or over 100K application. Both don't have football teams.

BTW, I'm not a fan of W&M.

Yes...thank you for defining what "some" means.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

Sure, but again the Colonial Conference is not going to be anywhere as rowdy as the Big 10, SEC, even ACC, etc.

Ok and?

That's the point. Some students want massive sport events with rowdy tailgates and what not. Not what I prefer, but that's what some students want and what W&M does not have.

Then they should probably go somewhere else.

It should be a good thing to have a variety of choices.

Yes. That's the point of the thread. Why some students lack interest in W&M. The lack of large sport events. Thank you for understanding the point of the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

Sure, but again the Colonial Conference is not going to be anywhere as rowdy as the Big 10, SEC, even ACC, etc.

Ok and?

That's the point. Some students want massive sport events with rowdy tailgates and what not. Not what I prefer, but that's what some students want and what W&M does not have.

And yet W&M plays schools like UVA -with all that attendant excitement. You don’t know what you are talking about

Genuinely the people in this thread have lower than room temperature IQ.

You can't compare a single game against UVA, which isn't even particularly known for football, to multiple matchups against major powerhouses as in the Big 10, SEC, even Pac-10 and ACC.

For W&M, the UVA game is the highlight of the season. For UVA, the W&M game is a meaningless side entry that doesn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it?

PP was referring to W&M’s significant gay man population, I think. The way I’ve heard that “joke” (such as it is) is William & Larry, which at least rhymes with its actual name. Also Lou Holtz was a football coach there a while back and said they had “not enough William, and too much Mary”.

Larry and Mary don't rhyme.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

Sure, but again the Colonial Conference is not going to be anywhere as rowdy as the Big 10, SEC, even ACC, etc.

Ok and?

That's the point. Some students want massive sport events with rowdy tailgates and what not. Not what I prefer, but that's what some students want and what W&M does not have.

And yet W&M plays schools like UVA -with all that attendant excitement. You don’t know what you are talking about

Genuinely the people in this thread have lower than room temperature IQ.

You can't compare a single game against UVA, which isn't even particularly known for football, to multiple matchups against major powerhouses as in the Big 10, SEC, even Pac-10 and ACC.

For W&M, the UVA game is the highlight of the season. For UVA, the W&M game is a meaningless side entry that doesn't matter.

I see the W&M hater is back. You are OBSESSED with being nasty about the school. Seriously get yourself checked out.

No, it is a fun in-state rivalry that allows W&M students to hang out with their UVA friends. This discussion is about students, not about 80 year old retirees whose full time job is going to football games. You haven't been in college in decades probably, so I don't think you're in a position to be telling other people the meaning of the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

Sure, but again the Colonial Conference is not going to be anywhere as rowdy as the Big 10, SEC, even ACC, etc.

Ok and?

That's the point. Some students want massive sport events with rowdy tailgates and what not. Not what I prefer, but that's what some students want and what W&M does not have.

Then they should probably go somewhere else.

It should be a good thing to have a variety of choices.

Yes. That's the point of the thread. Why some students lack interest in W&M. The lack of large sport events. Thank you for understanding the point of the thread.

The point of this thread is to bash W&M. The OP's premise - that interest in W&M is declining - has been shown to be false by the increase in applications to the school and the fact that there are more applicants per seat in the first year class than almost all other Virginia public schools. And do you really think we need threads about why some students lack interest in JMU, VT, UVA, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.

??? CS has been a huge major for a while. And they just founded an undergrad school of Cs and data science. They are also doing a lot of hiring in CS


Sure, but CS at W&M has been for the longest time extremely mediocre. It ranks in the 70's in all national CS rankings.


2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.

The lack of rigor is BS. And rich coming from a thread that complains WM is so rigorous that kids are grade deflated. You also clearly don’t understand grant funding and the restrictions on using grants. You NIH grant isn’t going to be used to add graduate level classes. It will be used it, you know, research.



WM plenty of STEM and humanities research option, because kids aren’t fighting with grad students. And the ISLs are new, modern and gorgeous.


There's a difference between rigor and stress. W&M is stressful, and it is rigorous in lower level and BS courses compared to other similar universities. The floor is higher at W&M. But the ceiling for rigor is much higher at research universities given top undergrads regularly take Ph.D. level courses at those research universities. Those research universities also have courses dedicated to the most specialized subjects and the latest research, again something not found at W&M or most LACs.

Undergrads don't have to fight with grad students at research universities, professors are happy to get as much help as they can for their research labs. And the "STEM and humanities research option" is little more than a science project compared to working on the cutting edge research of a professor.

The ISC at major research universities would be home to a single science department, with other science departments having similar buildings of their own. For W&M it's state of the art and houses 7+ departments and research labs. That shows you the difference between W&M and major research universities. Look at the CS building at UIUC for instance - https://cs.illinois.edu/about/contact-us#page-gallery-1





3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.

The school is rigorous, not necessarily overbearing or overly stressful. but I have a kid prone to anxiety, so I keep an eye if this and she is not finding it stressful. And WM is proud of the “happiest students” label. No one thinks they are MIT, Chicago or Cornell and that is not the atmosphere at the school. And this complaint is weird coming after “too poor to offer hard classes complaint. ”

No one thinks that they are at MIT, Cornell or U. Chicago, but the students think W&M is as rigorous and stressful as those schools. The stress perception among both the student population and prospective students is higher than what it should be. The stress feeds itself and this makes the school more stressful that the rigor suggests.



4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.

True, but there is a Greek/ party scene for those who want it. There are just other options for those that don’t.

Never said there wasn't a Greek scene, the Greek scene is (unfortunately) quite dominant in fact.


5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.

True. It’s a school where my DD has gotten a lot of confidence because she is doing very well and has made plenty of friends by being herself

6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in its tier, especially in pre-med and business.

Business is stressful, because it’s competitive entry with limited seats. So, it’s a zero sum game. DD’s roommate is pre-med and doesn’t feel that it’s competitive among pre-med students. Now difficult? yes. But the students aren’t competing against each other. All in all, one of the unique things about WM is just how collaborative it is? You can be challenged academically and interpersonally, which is also part of college), without being worked to death or having a tense, stressful atmosphere. [b]

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Yes business is stressful and competitive, and so is pre-med because it is curved. That there is a reason for the competitiveness doesn't change the fact that there's a lot of competition among students, and this image as W&M as some haven of cooperation and collaboration is simply false.


The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

[/b]The location is on a bus line (free for students) and one block from Amtrak, where $20 gets you to DC, or further up the Eastern seaboard.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.

[b]Yes it’s suburban. And because it’s touristy, there is a lot to do. My other kid goes to Hamilton. The “rustic charm” of a “rural location” lasts about a week and a half. WM has plenty to do. Even touristy things like Williamsburg decked out for Christmas, including its ice skating rink, and Grand Illuminations and Yule Log and Convocation, etc, etc are beloved by many students

There's not a lot to do, and anything there is to do is touristy and overly expensive. The students do not interact much with the town at all, outside of the three college bars that's not even in the main tourist trap area. Students don't go out for dates and eatings in the tourist trap area because it's ridiculously overpriced and expensive.

2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.

Norfolk, Richmond and a 2-3 hour Amtrak to Union station in DC. In fact, WM has a DC campus where students can take classes and or intern, plus housing for students in DC for the summer, semester, winter term ,etc. so, they are accessible for weekends or breaks.

You admit yourself that majority of students are from NoVA, why would they want to go back to NoVA? Amtrak realistically takes 4-5 hours because it waits on freight trains and costs $70 per ticket one-way. DC really is not a "weekend getaway". Compare that to schools like Princeton and Yale that are within an hour of NYC.


3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.

This is a lie. And places like the Cheese Shoppe say hi. In fact, Williamsburg near campus seems to have more independent stores that most places. That said, WaWa is a particular favorite among students.

Cheese Shoppe is the exact type of tourist trap that I've been talking about.

4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.

Senior citizens are an issue right now because there isn’t enough affordable housing in Williamsburg. That issue should be settled in the next 18 months when new dorms are ready.

[b]Senior citizens is always an issue because they make laws that are anti-student life. Can't blame them because everyone hates living next to drunk and high college students, but they chose to live next to a college.

6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.

[/b]built on a swamp? Let’s talk about NOVA/DC where 1/3 or more of the kids live. This is nothing new. Also, by 3 weeks into fall semester, we have… fall. I did have a kid there for one summer and they reported “it’s as bad a DC”[/b]

Most students are from Fairfax and Loudon, not DC. Neither Fairfax nor Loudon are swamps. And because you come from a swamp doesn't mean that you want to live in a swamp for college.

7. It's in the South.

Define “the South”?? How is WM “Southern”? Because it’s located in VA? VA is a purple state that will be blue once Youngkin goes away. Culturally, WM has more in common with Mid-Atlanic schools than southern ones. [b]

It’s a left of center but not far left school. It’s less culturally less Southern than UVA, Washington & Lee. It’ss definitely less Southern than the SEC. As you or Ted out, weak Greek life, less partying, no big time sports. It’s less Southern culturally than Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake, Emory. Nobody is pining for the old south or walking around with tiki torches.

It's quite literally, geographically, in the South. It's south of Richmond, the former confederate capital. It's south of UVA, the epitome of antebellum South. You leave campus and you're in the tidewater South.

Culturally, the Greek scene at W&M dominates the social scene, even if it is not as bad as W&L or UVA. W&M is most similar to Wake Forest in North Carolina, both geographically and culturally Southern schools that don't have the big time sports.

To say it's more similar to the Mid-Atlantic schools than Southern schools is a ridiculous statement. Compare W&M and Williamsburg to Penn and Drexel in Philly, Rutgers in NJ, NYU and Fordham in NYC versus UNC in Chapel Hill, UVA in Charlottesville, Wake Forest in Winston-Salem. It's obvious which schools and towns that W&M and Williamsburg are more similar to.


[/b]TL;DR: your resentment will look less ridiculous if you stick yo the truth next time and don’t reach quite so desperately for negative things— especially ones you pull out of your a**.

[b]My post was extremely fair and balanced. Yours, meanwhile, looks like you are reaching in frantic desperation to defend the school as something it is not.

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1. Sure, but CS at W&M has been for the longest time extremely mediocre. It ranks in the 70's in all national CS rankings.

2. There's a difference between rigor and stress. W&M is stressful, and it is rigorous in lower level and BS courses compared to other similar universities. The floor is higher at W&M. But the ceiling for rigor is much higher at research universities given top undergrads regularly take Ph.D. level courses at those research universities. Those research universities also have courses dedicated to the most specialized subjects and the latest research, again something not found at W&M or most LACs.

Undergrads don't have to fight with grad students at research universities, professors are happy to get as much help as they can for their research labs. And the "STEM and humanities research option" is little more than a science project compared to working on the cutting edge research of a professor.

The ISC at major research universities would be home to a single science department, with other science departments having similar buildings of their own. For W&M it's state of the art and houses 7+ departments and research labs. That shows you the difference between W&M and major research universities. Look at the CS building at UIUC for instance - https://cs.illinois.edu/about/contact-us#page-gallery-1


3. No one thinks that they are at MIT, Cornell or U. Chicago, but the students think W&M is as rigorous and stressful as those schools. The stress perception among both the student population and prospective students is higher than what it should be. The stress feeds itself and this makes the school more stressful that the rigor suggests.


4. Never said there wasn't a Greek scene, the Greek scene is (unfortunately) quite dominant in fact.


6. Yes business is stressful and competitive, and so is pre-med because it is curved. That there is a reason for the competitiveness doesn't change the fact that there's a lot of competition among students, and this image as W&M as some haven of cooperation and collaboration is simply false.



1. There's not a lot to do, and anything there is to do is touristy and overly expensive. The students do not interact much with the town at all, outside of the three college bars that's not even in the main tourist trap area. Students don't go out for dates and eatings in the tourist trap area because it's ridiculously overpriced and expensive.

2. You admit yourself that majority of students are from NoVA, why would they want to go back to NoVA? Amtrak realistically takes 4-5 hours because it waits on freight trains and costs $70 per ticket one-way. DC really is not a "weekend getaway". Compare that to schools like Princeton and Yale that are within an hour of NYC.


3. Cheese Shoppe is the exact type of tourist trap that I've been talking about.


4. Senior citizens is always an issue because they make laws that are anti-student life. Can't blame them because everyone hates living next to drunk and high college students, but they chose to live next to a college.


5. Most students are from Fairfax and Loudon, not DC. Neither Fairfax nor Loudon are swamps. And because you come from a swamp doesn't mean that you want to live in a swamp for college.


6. It's quite literally, geographically, in the South. It's south of Richmond, the former confederate capital. It's south of UVA, the epitome of antebellum South. You leave campus and you're in the tidewater South.

Culturally, the Greek scene at W&M dominates the social scene, even if it is not as bad as W&L or UVA. W&M is most similar to Wake Forest in North Carolina, both geographically and culturally Southern schools that don't have the big time sports.

To say it's more similar to the Mid-Atlantic schools than Southern schools is a ridiculous statement. Compare W&M and Williamsburg to Penn and Drexel in Philly, Rutgers in NJ, NYU and Fordham in NYC versus UNC in Chapel Hill, UVA in Charlottesville, Wake Forest in Winston-Salem. It's obvious which schools and towns that W&M and Williamsburg are more similar to.


My post was extremely fair and balanced. Yours, meanwhile, looks like you are reaching in frantic desperation to defend the school as something it is not.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Sure, but CS at W&M has been for the longest time extremely mediocre. It ranks in the 70's in all national CS rankings.

2. There's a difference between rigor and stress. W&M is stressful, and it is rigorous in lower level and BS courses compared to other similar universities. The floor is higher at W&M. But the ceiling for rigor is much higher at research universities given top undergrads regularly take Ph.D. level courses at those research universities. Those research universities also have courses dedicated to the most specialized subjects and the latest research, again something not found at W&M or most LACs.

Undergrads don't have to fight with grad students at research universities, professors are happy to get as much help as they can for their research labs. And the "STEM and humanities research option" is little more than a science project compared to working on the cutting edge research of a professor.

The ISC at major research universities would be home to a single science department, with other science departments having similar buildings of their own. For W&M it's state of the art and houses 7+ departments and research labs. That shows you the difference between W&M and major research universities. Look at the CS building at UIUC for instance - https://cs.illinois.edu/about/contact-us#page-gallery-1


3. No one thinks that they are at MIT, Cornell or U. Chicago, but the students think W&M is as rigorous and stressful as those schools. The stress perception among both the student population and prospective students is higher than what it should be. The stress feeds itself and this makes the school more stressful that the rigor suggests.


4. Never said there wasn't a Greek scene, the Greek scene is (unfortunately) quite dominant in fact.


6. Yes business is stressful and competitive, and so is pre-med because it is curved. That there is a reason for the competitiveness doesn't change the fact that there's a lot of competition among students, and this image as W&M as some haven of cooperation and collaboration is simply false.



1. There's not a lot to do, and anything there is to do is touristy and overly expensive. The students do not interact much with the town at all, outside of the three college bars that's not even in the main tourist trap area. Students don't go out for dates and eatings in the tourist trap area because it's ridiculously overpriced and expensive.

2. You admit yourself that majority of students are from NoVA, why would they want to go back to NoVA? Amtrak realistically takes 4-5 hours because it waits on freight trains and costs $70 per ticket one-way. DC really is not a "weekend getaway". Compare that to schools like Princeton and Yale that are within an hour of NYC.


3. Cheese Shoppe is the exact type of tourist trap that I've been talking about.


4. Senior citizens is always an issue because they make laws that are anti-student life. Can't blame them because everyone hates living next to drunk and high college students, but they chose to live next to a college.


5. Most students are from Fairfax and Loudon, not DC. Neither Fairfax nor Loudon are swamps. And because you come from a swamp doesn't mean that you want to live in a swamp for college.


6. It's quite literally, geographically, in the South. It's south of Richmond, the former confederate capital. It's south of UVA, the epitome of antebellum South. You leave campus and you're in the tidewater South.

Culturally, the Greek scene at W&M dominates the social scene, even if it is not as bad as W&L or UVA. W&M is most similar to Wake Forest in North Carolina, both geographically and culturally Southern schools that don't have the big time sports.

To say it's more similar to the Mid-Atlantic schools than Southern schools is a ridiculous statement. Compare W&M and Williamsburg to Penn and Drexel in Philly, Rutgers in NJ, NYU and Fordham in NYC versus UNC in Chapel Hill, UVA in Charlottesville, Wake Forest in Winston-Salem. It's obvious which schools and towns that W&M and Williamsburg are more similar to.


My post was extremely fair and balanced. Yours, meanwhile, looks like you are reaching in frantic desperation to defend the school as something it is not.

Thank you for your many subjective opinions and false assertions (e.g., high stress that feeds on itself, dominance of Greek life, students don't go out for dates, $70 one-way train tickets, etc ) that are directly contradicted by my DC's experience and the experience of many other students at the school (as well as Princeton Review surveys and other data). To be fair, you do make some valid claims, but you obviously have it out for W&M for some reason.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it?

PP was referring to W&M’s significant gay man population, I think. The way I’ve heard that “joke” (such as it is) is William & Larry, which at least rhymes with its actual name. Also Lou Holtz was a football coach there a while back and said they had “not enough William, and too much Mary”.

Larry and Mary don't rhyme.

Maybe not strictly, but with the tiniest poetic license they can. Taylor surely doesn’t, and is an androgynous name to boot.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it?

PP was referring to W&M’s significant gay man population, I think. The way I’ve heard that “joke” (such as it is) is William & Larry, which at least rhymes with its actual name. Also Lou Holtz was a football coach there a while back and said they had “not enough William, and too much Mary”.

Larry and Mary don't rhyme.

They totally do.

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The ISC at major research universities would be home to a single science department, with other science departments having similar buildings of their own. For W&M it's state of the art and houses 7+ departments and research labs. That shows you the difference between W&M and major research universities. Look at the CS building at UIUC for instance - https://cs.illinois.edu/about/contact-us#page-gallery-1

Ahh yes comparing a school with a total population of just under 10k students to one with 55k+ is really meaningful. The hate brigade is not sending their brightest.


No, it is not competitive or cutthroat. That is a lie perpetuated by someone who does not actually intact with W&M students. Literally not a thing at all.

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The ISC at major research universities would be home to a single science department, with other science departments having similar buildings of their own. For W&M it's state of the art and houses 7+ departments and research labs. That shows you the difference between W&M and major research universities. Look at the CS building at UIUC for instance - https://cs.illinois.edu/about/contact-us#page-gallery-1

Ahh yes comparing a school with a total population of just under 10k students to one with 55k+ is really meaningful. The hate brigade is not sending their brightest.


No, it is not competitive or cutthroat. That is a lie perpetuated by someone who does not actually intact with W&M students. Literally not a thing at all.

1. But that's the point, because it's a small non-research-based school, state of the art facilities at W&M that house 7+ departments and research labs are smaller than a single department's building at major research universities. For some that's a negative, for others, it's not. What's clear is that research is not the main focus of the college, which is fine.

2. It is definitely competitive and cutthroat for business and pre-med, just probably not as bad as other schools like business at UVA or engineering at VT. But the idea that a bunch of prepped up 4.4 GPA and 1450 SAT strivers from NoVa would somehow become laid back and collaborative once at college is ridiculous, especially in a cutthroat field like pre-med and pre-business.