Gun store opening next door to Franklin Sherman Elementary in Mclean

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am one of the pro-gun PP here, and some of you supporters out there need to dial it down a few notches. This is the reason why while I support the second amendment and am a gun owner, I did not renew my membership to the NRA. While the NRA serves as an important organization to help give a common well organized voice to gun owners, some of the rhetoric are just too over the top. It seems every email I get is alarmist to the extreme, telling me that I am being "ATTACKED". I understand that we need to speak up against those who have organized to challenge the rights of gun owners, but lets do it with composure and in a fashion that doesn't give the other side any reason to label us as crazies.

Vicky, whatever drove her to start this petition, is not arguing that we repeal the second amendment, so why even bring this into the conversation? I also really don't care what her background is, where she lives, how much money she has. All of this is beside the point and dredging this up will simply be used as justification by the people on her side of the argument to disregard the substance of the arguments from our side. Her complaint is that a gun shop should not be near a School or be in McLean at all. That is the entirety of her complaint. Deal with that and that's all you need to do. There is no reason why we need to start waving the constitution around because that's not the issue here. Narrow our scope of exchange and we'll be far more productive in communicating and educating the concerned residents of McLean.

It's so frustrating, like coaching a youth soccer team and having to tell kids not to make rude gestures to the other team. We are grown ass adults, have some civility.

I like your post, but the snide remarks cloaked as sympathy and understanding about we just need to be "educated" on firearms are very tiring. No, we don't.

[Anonymous]

Great post above. Like you, I'm confused why the second amendment is being invoked, other than the fact that it is the gun lobby "go-to" anytime anything comes up, like political parties blaming each other. Reflex response. Not wanting a gun store near a school has nothing to do with regulating a militia, or someone keeping and bearing arms. It just isn't, and it makes the person wielding the second amendment like a club sound stupid.

Now as for the petition, I haven't read it, but if it says "keep Nova Firearms out of McLean" then it is ridiculous, since they were already in McLean. The focus needs to be on having it not near the school.

[Anonymous]

Yes, the petition does indeed say

"Keep Nova Firearms out of McLean"

They'll fight it tooth and nail.

The school is of no interest to them.

They need to start being honest.

[Anonymous]

Why didn't the Vicky woman just ask to relocate the shop? Her intent is to bully them out of town. That's exactly how she titled her petition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't the Vicky woman just ask to relocate the shop? Her intent is to bully them out of town. That's exactly how she titled her petition.

So start your own petition. I signed her petition. But if you start a new one narrowing scope to just removing the gun store from near the school - I would sign that one too. And you would get folks that think her petition is too broad. If you are really saying that you support some limitations but not others, I am willing to listen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't the Vicky woman just ask to relocate the shop? Her intent is to bully them out of town. That's exactly how she titled her petition.

So start your own petition. I signed her petition. But if you start a new one narrowing scope to just removing the gun store from near the school - I would sign that one too. And you would get folks that think her petition is too broad. If you are really saying that you support some limitations but not others, I am willing to listen.

Does Vicky just want the shop to be further from the school? If so, how much further?

Or does she want to force them clear out of McLean? Or entirely out of Fairfax County, if she can get away with that?

Her petition says to get them out of McLean. But who knows her real intent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am one of the pro-gun PP here, and some of you supporters out there need to dial it down a few notches. This is the reason why while I support the second amendment and am a gun owner, I did not renew my membership to the NRA. While the NRA serves as an important organization to help give a common well organized voice to gun owners, some of the rhetoric are just too over the top. It seems every email I get is alarmist to the extreme, telling me that I am being "ATTACKED". I understand that we need to speak up against those who have organized to challenge the rights of gun owners, but lets do it with composure and in a fashion that doesn't give the other side any reason to label us as crazies.

Vicky, whatever drove her to start this petition, is not arguing that we repeal the second amendment, so why even bring this into the conversation? I also really don't care what her background is, where she lives, how much money she has. All of this is beside the point and dredging this up will simply be used as justification by the people on her side of the argument to disregard the substance of the arguments from our side. Her complaint is that a gun shop should not be near a School or be in McLean at all. That is the entirety of her complaint. Deal with that and that's all you need to do. There is no reason why we need to start waving the constitution around because that's not the issue here. Narrow our scope of exchange and we'll be far more productive in communicating and educating the concerned residents of McLean.

It's so frustrating, like coaching a youth soccer team and having to tell kids not to make rude gestures to the other team. We are grown ass adults, have some civility.

I like your post, but the snide remarks cloaked as sympathy and understanding about we just need to be "educated" on firearms are very tiring. No, we don't.

PP here, anyone who thinks there is inherent physical or mental danger of locating a gun shop close to a school is in need of education on firearm laws, safety, usage, and statistics. There is no rational basis for not wanting a gun shop close to a school. None have been presented in this thread or any of the other discussions on the net. Everything I hear from the anti-gun-shop crowd is the "oh how can any one think this is a good idea" type of exasperation with no actual reason giving for why it's a bad idea. Some are rather upfront about the lack of a good reason for their complaint by just saying that this is not what the community wants. I think that's a fair point to make, weak but fair. My argument against that would be 1) it would take a community wide vote to determine what the community wants, not what one person or a few person says, however loudly. 2) we live under rule of law and not rule of the mob; the republic we have serves the will of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority. 3) if you don't like it, change the zoning law - if you are so sure that you have the local politicians on your side, this should be easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am one of the pro-gun PP here, and some of you supporters out there need to dial it down a few notches. This is the reason why while I support the second amendment and am a gun owner, I did not renew my membership to the NRA. While the NRA serves as an important organization to help give a common well organized voice to gun owners, some of the rhetoric are just too over the top. It seems every email I get is alarmist to the extreme, telling me that I am being "ATTACKED". I understand that we need to speak up against those who have organized to challenge the rights of gun owners, but lets do it with composure and in a fashion that doesn't give the other side any reason to label us as crazies.

Vicky, whatever drove her to start this petition, is not arguing that we repeal the second amendment, so why even bring this into the conversation? I also really don't care what her background is, where she lives, how much money she has. All of this is beside the point and dredging this up will simply be used as justification by the people on her side of the argument to disregard the substance of the arguments from our side. Her complaint is that a gun shop should not be near a School or be in McLean at all. That is the entirety of her complaint. Deal with that and that's all you need to do. There is no reason why we need to start waving the constitution around because that's not the issue here. Narrow our scope of exchange and we'll be far more productive in communicating and educating the concerned residents of McLean.

It's so frustrating, like coaching a youth soccer team and having to tell kids not to make rude gestures to the other team. We are grown ass adults, have some civility.

I like your post, but the snide remarks cloaked as sympathy and understanding about we just need to be "educated" on firearms are very tiring. No, we don't.

PP here, anyone who thinks there is inherent physical or mental danger of locating a gun shop close to a school is in need of education on firearm laws, safety, usage, and statistics. There is no rational basis for not wanting a gun shop close to a school. None have been presented in this thread or any of the other discussions on the net. Everything I hear from the anti-gun-shop crowd is the "oh how can any one think this is a good idea" type of exasperation with no actual reason giving for why it's a bad idea. Some are rather upfront about the lack of a good reason for their complaint by just saying that this is not what the community wants. I think that's a fair point to make, weak but fair. My argument against that would be 1) it would take a community wide vote to determine what the community wants, not what one person or a few person says, however loudly. 2) we live under rule of law and not rule of the mob; the republic we have serves the will of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority. 3) if you don't like it, change the zoning law - if you are so sure that you have the local politicians on your side, this should be easy.

Blah blah blah. Is there anything else in your life that you care about as passionately as your right to own guns? Can you empathize with those who feel just as passionately about the safety of their children or have lost loved ones to violence?

[Anonymous]

And in today's news, another mass shooting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am one of the pro-gun PP here, and some of you supporters out there need to dial it down a few notches. This is the reason why while I support the second amendment and am a gun owner, I did not renew my membership to the NRA. While the NRA serves as an important organization to help give a common well organized voice to gun owners, some of the rhetoric are just too over the top. It seems every email I get is alarmist to the extreme, telling me that I am being "ATTACKED". I understand that we need to speak up against those who have organized to challenge the rights of gun owners, but lets do it with composure and in a fashion that doesn't give the other side any reason to label us as crazies.

Vicky, whatever drove her to start this petition, is not arguing that we repeal the second amendment, so why even bring this into the conversation? I also really don't care what her background is, where she lives, how much money she has. All of this is beside the point and dredging this up will simply be used as justification by the people on her side of the argument to disregard the substance of the arguments from our side. Her complaint is that a gun shop should not be near a School or be in McLean at all. That is the entirety of her complaint. Deal with that and that's all you need to do. There is no reason why we need to start waving the constitution around because that's not the issue here. Narrow our scope of exchange and we'll be far more productive in communicating and educating the concerned residents of McLean.

It's so frustrating, like coaching a youth soccer team and having to tell kids not to make rude gestures to the other team. We are grown ass adults, have some civility.

I like your post, but the snide remarks cloaked as sympathy and understanding about we just need to be "educated" on firearms are very tiring. No, we don't.

PP here, anyone who thinks there is inherent physical or mental danger of locating a gun shop close to a school is in need of education on firearm laws, safety, usage, and statistics. There is no rational basis for not wanting a gun shop close to a school. None have been presented in this thread or any of the other discussions on the net. Everything I hear from the anti-gun-shop crowd is the "oh how can any one think this is a good idea" type of exasperation with no actual reason giving for why it's a bad idea. Some are rather upfront about the lack of a good reason for their complaint by just saying that this is not what the community wants. I think that's a fair point to make, weak but fair. My argument against that would be 1) it would take a community wide vote to determine what the community wants, not what one person or a few person says, however loudly. 2) we live under rule of law and not rule of the mob; the republic we have serves the will of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority. 3) if you don't like it, change the zoning law - if you are so sure that you have the local politicians on your side, this should be easy.

Blah blah blah. Is there anything else in your life that you care about as passionately as your right to own guns? Can you empathize with those who feel just as passionately about the safety of their children or have lost loved ones to violence?

Yes, I care passionately about being informed, educated, and having good reading comprehension.

I can empathize about with those who feel passionately about the safety of our children. I have two of my own and I have an irrational fear that drives me to watch them as they walk down the driveway towards the bus stop every morning.

I don't see how having a gun shop next to a school is not safe. Perhaps you care to elaborate? If you don't, I understand, but feel free to keep your irrational fears to yourself, like I do mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And in today's news, another mass shooting.

Caused by a gun shop near a school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And in today's news, another mass shooting.

Caused by a gun shop near a school?

Holy shit, I thought you were being facetious. I am sorry, there really is a mass shooting. This is no joking matter. I am sorry for my previous comment.

[Anonymous]

Please tell me someone there was prepared to take down the mad man. But it's near Portland, OR.

From what I'm reading, local firearm sales typically go up when something like this happens. People realistically say, if only one person had been trained and prepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And in today's news, another mass shooting.

Caused by a gun shop near a school?

No. Caused by a gun used as a weapon at a school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And in today's news, another mass shooting.

Caused by a gun shop near a school?

No. Caused by a gun used as a weapon at a school.

And not one person on site who is trained and prepared.

I'm afraid any mad man knows that any school is the least likely place where anyone might be trained and prepared to defend.