Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

If this passes and Spanberger and Dems fail to have control, are you ok with GOP renewing/duplicating this amendment? If this passes, there is no going back. You will have given the GOP the keys to the kingdom. Even if the Dems manage to hold and control seats, mark my words, they will not anllow this amendment to expire. One day they will lose, and the GOP will use this with impunity.

I’ve said it before, if you want to take down Trump, you need to hurt him financially (if you can’t jail him.

The good news? Trump is old and can’t live too much longer.

Hope you’re good with that short term gain for long term loss.

Good grief, Republicans are hypocritical. This administration has blown up every norm protecting our democracy and citizens. They expressly stated their goal of picking up 5 Republican seats by redisticting in TX, argue vociferously for the SAVE Act, argue that any election that the Republicans lose must not have been valid, and then claim that the VA vote on redistricting goes to far. 🙄

Lots of projection in this post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

If this passes and Spanberger and Dems fail to have control, are you ok with GOP renewing/duplicating this amendment? If this passes, there is no going back. You will have given the GOP the keys to the kingdom. Even if the Dems manage to hold and control seats, mark my words, they will not anllow this amendment to expire. One day they will lose, and the GOP will use this with impunity.

I’ve said it before, if you want to take down Trump, you need to hurt him financially (if you can’t jail him.

The good news? Trump is old and can’t live too much longer.

Hope you’re good with that short term gain for long term loss.

Good grief, Republicans are hypocritical. This administration has blown up every norm protecting our democracy and citizens. They expressly stated their goal of picking up 5 Republican seats by redisticting in TX, argue vociferously for the SAVE Act, argue that any election that the Republicans lose must not have been valid, and then claim that the VA vote on redistricting goes to far. 🙄

x1,000 I'm sure people there are paid trolls/influencers here from MAGA. There's new data showing that influencers get paid 10X for GOP content, over Dem content. They are throwing so much cash at the elections because they are scared. Elon just donated $22M to a PAC.

Please take anyone advocating online for anything remotely MAGA that they might be getting paid for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

If this passes and Spanberger and Dems fail to have control, are you ok with GOP renewing/duplicating this amendment? If this passes, there is no going back. You will have given the GOP the keys to the kingdom. Even if the Dems manage to hold and control seats, mark my words, they will not anllow this amendment to expire. One day they will lose, and the GOP will use this with impunity.

I’ve said it before, if you want to take down Trump, you need to hurt him financially (if you can’t jail him.

The good news? Trump is old and can’t live too much longer.

Hope you’re good with that short term gain for long term loss.

Good grief, Republicans are hypocritical. This administration has blown up every norm protecting our democracy and citizens. They expressly stated their goal of picking up 5 Republican seats by redisticting in TX, argue vociferously for the SAVE Act, argue that any election that the Republicans lose must not have been valid, and then claim that the VA vote on redistricting goes to far. 🙄

Lots of projection in this post

I'm 14:18 and this ^^ is what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

You make is sound like this all started with Texas. BOTH sides are guilty of gerrymandering. The Dems did it in IL, NY, CA (even before Prop 50) and MD, to name a few. This difference is that in Virginia, we fixed it in 2020 with a constitutional amendment that created a bi-partisan commission that works. Now you want to blow that up, arguing that two wrongs make a right? And that the end justifies the means? You wouldn't accept that logic from you kids, would you?

Texas absolutely started this.

Congressional maps are supposed to be drawn right after the release of the U.S. Census. If a map is redrawn mid-decade, it is because a federal found a violation of the Voting Rights Act or the Constitution and had ordered a state to fix it. Redrawing a map like this?? Texas did it first in 2003, then Georgia did it a couple years later. Both to GOP advantage. Since then no state has done this until 2025: Texas, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio. All to GOP advantage.
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No, I don't think two wrongs make a right and I don't think the ends justify the means. But the Supreme Court is allowing this and saying these are the legal rules. How can you possibly say it is not fair for Virginia to do the same thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

You make is sound like this all started with Texas. BOTH sides are guilty of gerrymandering. The Dems did it in IL, NY, CA (even before Prop 50) and MD, to name a few. This difference is that in Virginia, we fixed it in 2020 with a constitutional amendment that created a bi-partisan commission that works. Now you want to blow that up, arguing that two wrongs make a right? And that the end justifies the means? You wouldn't accept that logic from you kids, would you?

Texas absolutely started this.

Congressional maps are supposed to be drawn right after the release of the U.S. Census. If a map is redrawn mid-decade, it is because a federal found a violation of the Voting Rights Act or the Constitution and had ordered a state to fix it. Redrawing a map like this?? Texas did it first in 2003, then Georgia did it a couple years later. Both to GOP advantage. Since then no state has done this until 2025: Texas, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio. All to GOP advantage.
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No, I don't think two wrongs make a right and I don't think the ends justify the means. But the Supreme Court is allowing this and saying these are the legal rules. How can you possibly say it is not fair for Virginia to do the same thing?

Rather than answering your question directly and risk being accused by the paranoid poster at 14:18 of being "paid by MAGA" (good grief), here's what the WaPo Editorial Board said:

"The self-styled democracy party isn’t behaving democratically. Democrats in Richmond are trying to effectively disenfranchise millions of Virginians by redrawing congressional maps to give themselves 10 of the commonwealth’s 11 House seats — giving Democrats control of 91 percent of House seats in a state where Republicans lost the last presidential election by just six points. Most know better, including the governor. Abigail Spanberger was among the two-thirds of Virginians who voted in 2020 to transfer once-a-decade redistricting from the legislature to a bipartisan commission. 'Gerrymandering is detrimental to our democracy,' she said back then. On Friday, Spanberger signed a bill to schedule an April 21 referendum that would move it back. The governor said it was necessary 'to let voters respond to extreme measures taken by other states.'"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

You make is sound like this all started with Texas. BOTH sides are guilty of gerrymandering. The Dems did it in IL, NY, CA (even before Prop 50) and MD, to name a few. This difference is that in Virginia, we fixed it in 2020 with a constitutional amendment that created a bi-partisan commission that works. Now you want to blow that up, arguing that two wrongs make a right? And that the end justifies the means? You wouldn't accept that logic from you kids, would you?

Texas absolutely started this.

Congressional maps are supposed to be drawn right after the release of the U.S. Census. If a map is redrawn mid-decade, it is because a federal found a violation of the Voting Rights Act or the Constitution and had ordered a state to fix it. Redrawing a map like this?? Texas did it first in 2003, then Georgia did it a couple years later. Both to GOP advantage. Since then no state has done this until 2025: Texas, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio. All to GOP advantage.
g?
No, I don't think two wrongs make a right and I don't think the ends justify the means. But the Supreme Court is allowing this and saying these are the legal rules. How can you possibly say it is not fair for Virginia to do the same thing?

Rather than answering your question directly and risk being accused by the paranoid poster at 14:18 of being "paid by MAGA" (good grief), here's what the WaPo Editorial Board said:

"The self-styled democracy party isn’t behaving democratically. Democrats in Richmond are trying to effectively disenfranchise millions of Virginians by redrawing congressional maps to give themselves 10 of the commonwealth’s 11 House seats — giving Democrats control of 91 percent of House seats in a state where Republicans lost the last presidential election by just six points. Most know better, including the governor. Abigail Spanberger was among the two-thirds of Virginians who voted in 2020 to transfer once-a-decade redistricting from the legislature to a bipartisan commission. 'Gerrymandering is detrimental to our democracy,' she said back then. On Friday, Spanberger signed a bill to schedule an April 21 referendum that would move it back. The governor said it was necessary 'to let voters respond to extreme measures taken by other states.'"

I agree that gerrymandering is detrimental to democracy. I agree. I wish it weren't allowed--but it IS! And the GOP has just done it openly and brazenly in four states and the Supreme Court said it is legal. There is no high road left. We either follow the crap rules or everyone is disenfranchised by this administration.

[Anonymous]

Also the WaPo editorial board doesn't have a lot of moral authority anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

If this passes and Spanberger and Dems fail to have control, are you ok with GOP renewing/duplicating this amendment? If this passes, there is no going back. You will have given the GOP the keys to the kingdom. Even if the Dems manage to hold and control seats, mark my words, they will not anllow this amendment to expire. One day they will lose, and the GOP will use this with impunity.

I’ve said it before, if you want to take down Trump, you need to hurt him financially (if you can’t jail him.

The good news? Trump is old and can’t live too much longer.

Hope you’re good with that short term gain for long term loss.

Good grief, Republicans are hypocritical. This administration has blown up every norm protecting our democracy and citizens. They expressly stated their goal of picking up 5 Republican seats by redisticting in TX, argue vociferously for the SAVE Act, argue that any election that the Republicans lose must not have been valid, and then claim that the VA vote on redistricting goes to far. 🙄

Lots of projection in this post

I'm 14:18 and this ^^ is what I'm talking about.

As I was saying, so much hypocrisy!

[Anonymous]

Gerrymandering is a big reason why our government doesn't work. We turn all of our districts into area where only one party can win, and then, because only the primaries matter, both parties end up nominating their most extreme candidates. Then we get a legislature full of extreme conservatives and extreme progressives, and people wonder why they can't agree to do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gerrymandering is a big reason why our government doesn't work. We turn all of our districts into area where only one party can win, and then, because only the primaries matter, both parties end up nominating their most extreme candidates. Then we get a legislature full of extreme conservatives and extreme progressives, and people wonder why they can't agree to do anything.

But if one side gerrymanders and the other doesn’t, then the side that doesn’t gerrymander loses. Our choice is to also gerrymander or give control of the US government to the Republicans for the foreseeable future. So far the Republicans controlling all 3 branches isn’t going well. The deficit is exploding, job growth is stagnant, gas prices are skyrocketing, and we’re in a conflict with Iran for inexplicable reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gerrymandering is a big reason why our government doesn't work. We turn all of our districts into area where only one party can win, and then, because only the primaries matter, both parties end up nominating their most extreme candidates. Then we get a legislature full of extreme conservatives and extreme progressives, and people wonder why they can't agree to do anything.

But if one side gerrymanders and the other doesn’t, then the side that doesn’t gerrymander loses. Our choice is to also gerrymander or give control of the US government to the Republicans for the foreseeable future. So far the Republicans controlling all 3 branches isn’t going well. The deficit is exploding, job growth is stagnant, gas prices are skyrocketing, and we’re in a conflict with Iran for inexplicable reasons.

Nonsense. My guess is Dems will win the House and Senate regardless. Republicans are in a heap of trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gerrymandering is a big reason why our government doesn't work. We turn all of our districts into area where only one party can win, and then, because only the primaries matter, both parties end up nominating their most extreme candidates. Then we get a legislature full of extreme conservatives and extreme progressives, and people wonder why they can't agree to do anything.

But if one side gerrymanders and the other doesn’t, then the side that doesn’t gerrymander loses. Our choice is to also gerrymander or give control of the US government to the Republicans for the foreseeable future. So far the Republicans controlling all 3 branches isn’t going well. The deficit is exploding, job growth is stagnant, gas prices are skyrocketing, and we’re in a conflict with Iran for inexplicable reasons.

Nonsense. My guess is Dems will win the House and Senate regardless. Republicans are in a heap of trouble.

Democrats most certainly would have won the house except that several states gerrymandered to make it an uphill battle. The Senate was always and remains a longshot.

[Anonymous]

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Don, five seats isn't going to take back the House. Do the math.

Care to predict the composition of the House in January?

Republicans hold a 2 seat majority.

Want to bet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a trump/Maga fan but democrats pushing the concept of redistricting to be anti trump is really starting to go too far. You are making the rest of the party sound crazy and I wish you would stop. I’m voting no because it’s wrong, blatantly, and even the politicians can’t defend it with logical reasons.

I just found this thread and have only read the last couple of pages so maybe this has been asked and answered but... how can you possibly say this after Texas? How can there be a self-righteous tone or a morally superior position when the Supreme Court has already allowed the GOP to do this very thing?

I don't like it. I wish it wasn't allowed. But it's suicidal to let one side do it and then act sanctimonious when the other side says my turn.

If this passes and Spanberger and Dems fail to have control, are you ok with GOP renewing/duplicating this amendment? If this passes, there is no going back. You will have given the GOP the keys to the kingdom. Even if the Dems manage to hold and control seats, mark my words, they will not anllow this amendment to expire. One day they will lose, and the GOP will use this with impunity.

I’ve said it before, if you want to take down Trump, you need to hurt him financially (if you can’t jail him.

The good news? Trump is old and can’t live too much longer.

Hope you’re good with that short term gain for long term loss.

Good grief, Republicans are hypocritical. This administration has blown up every norm protecting our democracy and citizens. They expressly stated their goal of picking up 5 Republican seats by redisticting in TX, argue vociferously for the SAVE Act, argue that any election that the Republicans lose must not have been valid, and then claim that the VA vote on redistricting goes to far. 🙄

x1,000 I'm sure people there are paid trolls/influencers here from MAGA. There's new data showing that influencers get paid 10X for GOP content, over Dem content. They are throwing so much cash at the elections because they are scared. Elon just donated $22M to a PAC.

Please take anyone advocating online for anything remotely MAGA that they might be getting paid for it.

Tell me you are taking the easy conspiracy way out without...
Sadly as an Independent since my first voter registration, who never voted Republican for president but did write in Jesse Jackson instead of Dukakis, Democrats must understand why their history and messages sre not overwhelmingly adopted.

[Anonymous]

Yes yes yes!
My whole family is on board!