Virginia referendum - if you hate MAGA, vote YES (even if your mailing says to vote 'No')

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord. Virginia - this is a member of your legislature.

Oh, c’mon, he’s just joking! (See, we can say that, too.)

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think the Republican whining is a bit…unseemly? I can’t help but thinking about the little pipsqeak on the playground who bullies the big kid for years, then cries bloody murder when the big kid punches him back once and knocks him flat on his back.

AOC said it best when she said, “Wah wah wah.” I can’t help but see children every time I see Republican white men whining about injustice.

This is going to result in Democrats winning 10 of Virginia's 11 House districts. Reminder: Virginia is purple state. That's completely ridiculous. Why don't you just ban Republicans from voting altogether?

Politicians gaming the rules to nullify the votes of people they don't like is some shady fkcng business, and this genie does not go back in the bottle. When Republicans come back into power, as they inevitably will, I'm surely they do the same thing to Democrats, but worse. It's never just tit for tat.

Gerrymandering is stupid. It disenfranchises voters. It makes Congress *completely* dysfunctional. And it sets off an endless cycle of retribution between the parties. All if this is especially dumb because Democrats are going to win the House and Senate, anyway, even without this.

The people who support this are effectively voting to disenfranchise people they don't agree with. When democracy in America ends, you can say you did your small part.

What do you think would have been an appropriate response to Texas’ efforts to pass laws that VA must abide by, having supressed its voters?

DP. Something that follows the law would have been a good start. The VA Dems tried to cheat to try do their cheating. You can’t make this stuff up.

This followed the law.

Giving 10 out of 11 House seats to Democrats in an evenly divided state could hardly be more ridiculous.

There’s nothing in the law that says they can’t. Ask SCOTUS.

I agree it’s unfair. So I support the national band on political gerrymandering. Do you?

NP and yes.

Great! Call your republican member of congress (while they still have a job) because they’re the ones blocking it.

No, they're not. You know nothing about politics. A bill like this would never pass Congress regardless of which party is in charge.

Then call the D’s bluff.

Let’s see full R support and see what happens.

There is no bluff. You're just an idiot. Democrats will never support this. Neither will Republicans. No one in Congress is even seriously considering this.

Stop calling people idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

You should really try to learn the basics of politics and how Congress works before spouting off.

This bill passed the House five years ago, when Democrats controlled the entire government. They could have passed it into law, because they controlled the Senate and the White House, but they didn't because they didn't care all that much about it. It was a messaging bill. They had other things they actually cared about.

Second, the bill doesn't actually exist anymore, because all bills automatically die after two years. After two years, you have to start the whole process all over again. There is no bill just waiting for the Senate to be passed. Most of the bill who wrote that bill aren't even in Congress anymore. Many have since died or retired.

If Democrats who are currently in Congress wanted to do this, they could. They could write their own bill and try to rally support for it, and demand a vote. They haven't done any of that, because they don't care about this issue.

Dems have been working on this issue for years, reworking it many times.

Given the MAGA attacks on basic voting rights, the Dems have had bigger issues to fry and they have been pushing the SAVE Act and John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

But they do have a bill to address gerrymandering currently in the works:
https://thecensusproject.org/2025/11/07/the-redistricting-reform-act-s-2885-and-h-r-5449/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449/text

Lawmakers introduce probably 8,000 per year, every year, on everything under the sun. Most of them are meaningless messaging bills that are just designed to signal that a lawmakers cares about an issue. But they make zero effort to actually pass them. If Democrats actually wanted to ban redistricting you would hear the leadership talking about it all the time. The Speaker would be asking why this bill isn't on the floor. They would be gathering signatures for discharge petitions. They would be offering restricting amendments to the reconcilation bill that just passed the Senate. None of that is happening because all politicians, regardless of party, love gerrymandering because they want to pick who votes for them so they can stay in power forever.

This is almost correct. Republicans love gerrymandering. Democrats have consistently proposed bills that ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but Republicans don't support them.

Look, if there was something Republicans hated in the bill Democrats have proposed, they could strip them out and pass it tomorrow. Republicans have a trifecta right now. Democrats have already passed bills against gerrymandering. Republicans could ban gerrymandering tomorrow if they wanted to! For all the performative bellyaching, it's clear they're not even remotely interested in matters of representation or fairness. They're just whining because their side lost.

Hard to keep track of all the double speak here. So it's bad on Republicans because aren't banning redistricting when they control the House and Senate and White House, and it's also Republicans' fault that Democrats didn't ban redistricting when they controlled the House and Senate and White House in 2021?

And it's Democrats who are the good guys on redistricting even though they're changing the map midcycle, via a deceptive ballot initiative, to give themselves 91 percent of Virginia's 11 House seats, even though it's a 50-50 state.

Virginia saw how Trump ordered red states to gerrymander mid-cycle.

Then, Virginia saw TX, MO, NC, OH all working to steal D seats.

Virginia grew a pair and decided to fight back. So here we are.

Don’t like it? Take it up with Trump.

This cycle of "they did it first so we have to do it too and we can't unilaterally disarm" is how all of our institutions in government will disintegrate. Redistricting will get more and more extreme, and more frequent. The filibuster in the Senate will be abolished. Politicians in both parties will start ignoring the law, and the courts, because they'll say Trump did it first, and if he did it, then why can't they? These genies don't go back into bottles. Bad precedents get normalized and what's even considered bad behavior gets defined down. It's a terrible road to go down.

I agree but the Democrats have spent years trying to be the party of norms while the Republicans have been crashing and burning everything in sight. I refuse to accept blame when we finally do something about it.

This good vs. evil view of the world seems very naive. Dems did all this shit too. They ignored laws before Trump came along. He just took what they did to a much, much greater extreme.

BoTh SiDEs

Dems have been pushing anti-gerrymandering legislation across the US.

Dems aren’t perfect but they haven’t been trying to burn everything down and breaking norms left and right.

Are you going to play dumb? Should I provide pages of evidence to support this? Or maybe you can acknowledge that Dems really did not “do all this shit too”.

Remember when Biden said he could forgive a half trillion dollars worth of student loans just because he wanted to? And everyone cheered? Totally, totally 100 percent illegal. Even Nancy Pelosi said he couldn't do that. Trumpies were furious and said if Biden can do that, well, then they can do all kinds of other stuff too.

But then the courts restrained the action, so it didn't happen. If your point is that the GOP didn't have a Pelosi to say he can't do that and that the courts are partisan and allowing Trump to do whatever he wants, then yes, we get it.

Which is frankly a bigger issue than Trump IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord. Virginia - this is a member of your legislature.

Oh, c’mon, he’s just joking! (See, we can say that, too.)

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think the Republican whining is a bit…unseemly? I can’t help but thinking about the little pipsqeak on the playground who bullies the big kid for years, then cries bloody murder when the big kid punches him back once and knocks him flat on his back.

AOC said it best when she said, “Wah wah wah.” I can’t help but see children every time I see Republican white men whining about injustice.

This is going to result in Democrats winning 10 of Virginia's 11 House districts. Reminder: Virginia is purple state. That's completely ridiculous. Why don't you just ban Republicans from voting altogether?

Politicians gaming the rules to nullify the votes of people they don't like is some shady fkcng business, and this genie does not go back in the bottle. When Republicans come back into power, as they inevitably will, I'm surely they do the same thing to Democrats, but worse. It's never just tit for tat.

Gerrymandering is stupid. It disenfranchises voters. It makes Congress *completely* dysfunctional. And it sets off an endless cycle of retribution between the parties. All if this is especially dumb because Democrats are going to win the House and Senate, anyway, even without this.

The people who support this are effectively voting to disenfranchise people they don't agree with. When democracy in America ends, you can say you did your small part.

What do you think would have been an appropriate response to Texas’ efforts to pass laws that VA must abide by, having supressed its voters?

DP. Something that follows the law would have been a good start. The VA Dems tried to cheat to try do their cheating. You can’t make this stuff up.

This followed the law.

Giving 10 out of 11 House seats to Democrats in an evenly divided state could hardly be more ridiculous.

There’s nothing in the law that says they can’t. Ask SCOTUS.

I agree it’s unfair. So I support the national band on political gerrymandering. Do you?

NP and yes.

Great! Call your republican member of congress (while they still have a job) because they’re the ones blocking it.

No, they're not. You know nothing about politics. A bill like this would never pass Congress regardless of which party is in charge.

Then call the D’s bluff.

Let’s see full R support and see what happens.

There is no bluff. You're just an idiot. Democrats will never support this. Neither will Republicans. No one in Congress is even seriously considering this.

Stop calling people idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

You should really try to learn the basics of politics and how Congress works before spouting off.

This bill passed the House five years ago, when Democrats controlled the entire government. They could have passed it into law, because they controlled the Senate and the White House, but they didn't because they didn't care all that much about it. It was a messaging bill. They had other things they actually cared about.

Second, the bill doesn't actually exist anymore, because all bills automatically die after two years. After two years, you have to start the whole process all over again. There is no bill just waiting for the Senate to be passed. Most of the bill who wrote that bill aren't even in Congress anymore. Many have since died or retired.

If Democrats who are currently in Congress wanted to do this, they could. They could write their own bill and try to rally support for it, and demand a vote. They haven't done any of that, because they don't care about this issue.

Dems have been working on this issue for years, reworking it many times.

Given the MAGA attacks on basic voting rights, the Dems have had bigger issues to fry and they have been pushing the SAVE Act and John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

But they do have a bill to address gerrymandering currently in the works:
https://thecensusproject.org/2025/11/07/the-redistricting-reform-act-s-2885-and-h-r-5449/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449/text

Lawmakers introduce probably 8,000 per year, every year, on everything under the sun. Most of them are meaningless messaging bills that are just designed to signal that a lawmakers cares about an issue. But they make zero effort to actually pass them. If Democrats actually wanted to ban redistricting you would hear the leadership talking about it all the time. The Speaker would be asking why this bill isn't on the floor. They would be gathering signatures for discharge petitions. They would be offering restricting amendments to the reconcilation bill that just passed the Senate. None of that is happening because all politicians, regardless of party, love gerrymandering because they want to pick who votes for them so they can stay in power forever.

This is almost correct. Republicans love gerrymandering. Democrats have consistently proposed bills that ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but Republicans don't support them.

Look, if there was something Republicans hated in the bill Democrats have proposed, they could strip them out and pass it tomorrow. Republicans have a trifecta right now. Democrats have already passed bills against gerrymandering. Republicans could ban gerrymandering tomorrow if they wanted to! For all the performative bellyaching, it's clear they're not even remotely interested in matters of representation or fairness. They're just whining because their side lost.

Hard to keep track of all the double speak here. So it's bad on Republicans because aren't banning redistricting when they control the House and Senate and White House, and it's also Republicans' fault that Democrats didn't ban redistricting when they controlled the House and Senate and White House in 2021?

And it's Democrats who are the good guys on redistricting even though they're changing the map midcycle, via a deceptive ballot initiative, to give themselves 91 percent of Virginia's 11 House seats, even though it's a 50-50 state.

Virginia saw how Trump ordered red states to gerrymander mid-cycle.

Then, Virginia saw TX, MO, NC, OH all working to steal D seats.

Virginia grew a pair and decided to fight back. So here we are.

Don’t like it? Take it up with Trump.

This cycle of "they did it first so we have to do it too and we can't unilaterally disarm" is how all of our institutions in government will disintegrate. Redistricting will get more and more extreme, and more frequent. The filibuster in the Senate will be abolished. Politicians in both parties will start ignoring the law, and the courts, because they'll say Trump did it first, and if he did it, then why can't they? These genies don't go back into bottles. Bad precedents get normalized and what's even considered bad behavior gets defined down. It's a terrible road to go down.

I agree but the Democrats have spent years trying to be the party of norms while the Republicans have been crashing and burning everything in sight. I refuse to accept blame when we finally do something about it.

This good vs. evil view of the world seems very naive. Dems did all this shit too. They ignored laws before Trump came along. He just took what they did to a much, much greater extreme.

BoTh SiDEs

Dems have been pushing anti-gerrymandering legislation across the US.

Dems aren’t perfect but they haven’t been trying to burn everything down and breaking norms left and right.

Are you going to play dumb? Should I provide pages of evidence to support this? Or maybe you can acknowledge that Dems really did not “do all this shit too”.

Remember when Biden said he could forgive a half trillion dollars worth of student loans just because he wanted to? And everyone cheered? Totally, totally 100 percent illegal. Even Nancy Pelosi said he couldn't do that. Trumpies were furious and said if Biden can do that, well, then they can do all kinds of other stuff too.

Remember when the Supreme Court kept that from happening and Biden abided by their decision?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Make DC square!

This would add several hundred thousands residents to DC.
It would supercharge the DC Statehood movement.
It would negatively impact the Virginia budget without affecting Virginia political composition.
It would strip people who currently have House and Senate representation of their votes on the Hill.
It would strip people who have paid to support Virginia universities the access to in-state tuition.

the population if the "square" would be greater than Wyoming, Vermonth, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota Deleware and in time, Rhode Island and Maine.

So, yes, please make DC square!

There’s a thread for further discussion of this here https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1322903.page

[Anonymous]

Fleece vest getting thrown under the bus. Nothing is ever Trump’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think the Republican whining is a bit…unseemly? I can’t help but thinking about the little pipsqeak on the playground who bullies the big kid for years, then cries bloody murder when the big kid punches him back once and knocks him flat on his back.

AOC said it best when she said, “Wah wah wah.” I can’t help but see children every time I see Republican white men whining about injustice.

This is going to result in Democrats winning 10 of Virginia's 11 House districts. Reminder: Virginia is purple state. That's completely ridiculous. Why don't you just ban Republicans from voting altogether?

Politicians gaming the rules to nullify the votes of people they don't like is some shady fkcng business, and this genie does not go back in the bottle. When Republicans come back into power, as they inevitably will, I'm surely they do the same thing to Democrats, but worse. It's never just tit for tat.

Gerrymandering is stupid. It disenfranchises voters. It makes Congress *completely* dysfunctional. And it sets off an endless cycle of retribution between the parties. All if this is especially dumb because Democrats are going to win the House and Senate, anyway, even without this.

The people who support this are effectively voting to disenfranchise people they don't agree with. When democracy in America ends, you can say you did your small part.

What do you think would have been an appropriate response to Texas’ efforts to pass laws that VA must abide by, having supressed its voters?

DP. Something that follows the law would have been a good start. The VA Dems tried to cheat to try do their cheating. You can’t make this stuff up.

This followed the law.

Giving 10 out of 11 House seats to Democrats in an evenly divided state could hardly be more ridiculous.

There’s nothing in the law that says they can’t. Ask SCOTUS.

I agree it’s unfair. So I support the national band on political gerrymandering. Do you?

NP and yes.

Great! Call your republican member of congress (while they still have a job) because they’re the ones blocking it.

No, they're not. You know nothing about politics. A bill like this would never pass Congress regardless of which party is in charge.

Then call the D’s bluff.

Let’s see full R support and see what happens.

There is no bluff. You're just an idiot. Democrats will never support this. Neither will Republicans. No one in Congress is even seriously considering this.

Stop calling people idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

You should really try to learn the basics of politics and how Congress works before spouting off.

This bill passed the House five years ago, when Democrats controlled the entire government. They could have passed it into law, because they controlled the Senate and the White House, but they didn't because they didn't care all that much about it. It was a messaging bill. They had other things they actually cared about.

Second, the bill doesn't actually exist anymore, because all bills automatically die after two years. After two years, you have to start the whole process all over again. There is no bill just waiting for the Senate to be passed. Most of the bill who wrote that bill aren't even in Congress anymore. Many have since died or retired.

If Democrats who are currently in Congress wanted to do this, they could. They could write their own bill and try to rally support for it, and demand a vote. They haven't done any of that, because they don't care about this issue.

Dems have been working on this issue for years, reworking it many times.

Given the MAGA attacks on basic voting rights, the Dems have had bigger issues to fry and they have been pushing the SAVE Act and John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

But they do have a bill to address gerrymandering currently in the works:
https://thecensusproject.org/2025/11/07/the-redistricting-reform-act-s-2885-and-h-r-5449/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449/text

Lawmakers introduce probably 8,000 per year, every year, on everything under the sun. Most of them are meaningless messaging bills that are just designed to signal that a lawmakers cares about an issue. But they make zero effort to actually pass them. If Democrats actually wanted to ban redistricting you would hear the leadership talking about it all the time. The Speaker would be asking why this bill isn't on the floor. They would be gathering signatures for discharge petitions. They would be offering restricting amendments to the reconcilation bill that just passed the Senate. None of that is happening because all politicians, regardless of party, love gerrymandering because they want to pick who votes for them so they can stay in power forever.

This is almost correct. Republicans love gerrymandering. Democrats have consistently proposed bills that ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but Republicans don't support them.

Look, if there was something Republicans hated in the bill Democrats have proposed, they could strip them out and pass it tomorrow. Republicans have a trifecta right now. Democrats have already passed bills against gerrymandering. Republicans could ban gerrymandering tomorrow if they wanted to! For all the performative bellyaching, it's clear they're not even remotely interested in matters of representation or fairness. They're just whining because their side lost.

Hard to keep track of all the double speak here. So it's bad on Republicans because aren't banning redistricting when they control the House and Senate and White House, and it's also Republicans' fault that Democrats didn't ban redistricting when they controlled the House and Senate and White House in 2021?

And it's Democrats who are the good guys on redistricting even though they're changing the map midcycle, via a deceptive ballot initiative, to give themselves 91 percent of Virginia's 11 House seats, even though it's a 50-50 state.

Virginia saw how Trump ordered red states to gerrymander mid-cycle.

Then, Virginia saw TX, MO, NC, OH all working to steal D seats.

Virginia grew a pair and decided to fight back. So here we are.

Don’t like it? Take it up with Trump.

This cycle of "they did it first so we have to do it too and we can't unilaterally disarm" is how all of our institutions in government will disintegrate. Redistricting will get more and more extreme, and more frequent. The filibuster in the Senate will be abolished. Politicians in both parties will start ignoring the law, and the courts, because they'll say Trump did it first, and if he did it, then why can't they? These genies don't go back into bottles. Bad precedents get normalized and what's even considered bad behavior gets defined down. It's a terrible road to go down.

I agree but the Democrats have spent years trying to be the party of norms while the Republicans have been crashing and burning everything in sight. I refuse to accept blame when we finally do something about it.

This good vs. evil view of the world seems very naive. Dems did all this shit too. They ignored laws before Trump came along. He just took what they did to a much, much greater extreme.

BoTh SiDEs

Dems have been pushing anti-gerrymandering legislation across the US.

Dems aren’t perfect but they haven’t been trying to burn everything down and breaking norms left and right.

Are you going to play dumb? Should I provide pages of evidence to support this? Or maybe you can acknowledge that Dems really did not “do all this shit too”.

Remember when Biden said he could forgive a half trillion dollars worth of student loans just because he wanted to? And everyone cheered? Totally, totally 100 percent illegal. Even Nancy Pelosi said he couldn't do that. Trumpies were furious and said if Biden can do that, well, then they can do all kinds of other stuff too.

Remember when the Supreme Court kept that from happening and Biden abided by their decision?

I think the point was that Biden was doing something he knew full well was illegal and was daring the Supreme Court to stop him, which is now what Trump is doing too, repeatedly.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fleece vest getting thrown under the bus. Nothing is ever Trump’s fault.

Womp womp

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think the Republican whining is a bit…unseemly? I can’t help but thinking about the little pipsqeak on the playground who bullies the big kid for years, then cries bloody murder when the big kid punches him back once and knocks him flat on his back.

AOC said it best when she said, “Wah wah wah.” I can’t help but see children every time I see Republican white men whining about injustice.

This is going to result in Democrats winning 10 of Virginia's 11 House districts. Reminder: Virginia is purple state. That's completely ridiculous. Why don't you just ban Republicans from voting altogether?

Politicians gaming the rules to nullify the votes of people they don't like is some shady fkcng business, and this genie does not go back in the bottle. When Republicans come back into power, as they inevitably will, I'm surely they do the same thing to Democrats, but worse. It's never just tit for tat.

Gerrymandering is stupid. It disenfranchises voters. It makes Congress *completely* dysfunctional. And it sets off an endless cycle of retribution between the parties. All if this is especially dumb because Democrats are going to win the House and Senate, anyway, even without this.

The people who support this are effectively voting to disenfranchise people they don't agree with. When democracy in America ends, you can say you did your small part.

What do you think would have been an appropriate response to Texas’ efforts to pass laws that VA must abide by, having supressed its voters?

DP. Something that follows the law would have been a good start. The VA Dems tried to cheat to try do their cheating. You can’t make this stuff up.

This followed the law.

Giving 10 out of 11 House seats to Democrats in an evenly divided state could hardly be more ridiculous.

There’s nothing in the law that says they can’t. Ask SCOTUS.

I agree it’s unfair. So I support the national band on political gerrymandering. Do you?

NP and yes.

Great! Call your republican member of congress (while they still have a job) because they’re the ones blocking it.

No, they're not. You know nothing about politics. A bill like this would never pass Congress regardless of which party is in charge.

Then call the D’s bluff.

Let’s see full R support and see what happens.

There is no bluff. You're just an idiot. Democrats will never support this. Neither will Republicans. No one in Congress is even seriously considering this.

Stop calling people idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

You should really try to learn the basics of politics and how Congress works before spouting off.

This bill passed the House five years ago, when Democrats controlled the entire government. They could have passed it into law, because they controlled the Senate and the White House, but they didn't because they didn't care all that much about it. It was a messaging bill. They had other things they actually cared about.

Second, the bill doesn't actually exist anymore, because all bills automatically die after two years. After two years, you have to start the whole process all over again. There is no bill just waiting for the Senate to be passed. Most of the bill who wrote that bill aren't even in Congress anymore. Many have since died or retired.

If Democrats who are currently in Congress wanted to do this, they could. They could write their own bill and try to rally support for it, and demand a vote. They haven't done any of that, because they don't care about this issue.

Dems have been working on this issue for years, reworking it many times.

Given the MAGA attacks on basic voting rights, the Dems have had bigger issues to fry and they have been pushing the SAVE Act and John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

But they do have a bill to address gerrymandering currently in the works:
https://thecensusproject.org/2025/11/07/the-redistricting-reform-act-s-2885-and-h-r-5449/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449/text

Lawmakers introduce probably 8,000 per year, every year, on everything under the sun. Most of them are meaningless messaging bills that are just designed to signal that a lawmakers cares about an issue. But they make zero effort to actually pass them. If Democrats actually wanted to ban redistricting you would hear the leadership talking about it all the time. The Speaker would be asking why this bill isn't on the floor. They would be gathering signatures for discharge petitions. They would be offering restricting amendments to the reconcilation bill that just passed the Senate. None of that is happening because all politicians, regardless of party, love gerrymandering because they want to pick who votes for them so they can stay in power forever.

This is almost correct. Republicans love gerrymandering. Democrats have consistently proposed bills that ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but Republicans don't support them.

Look, if there was something Republicans hated in the bill Democrats have proposed, they could strip them out and pass it tomorrow. Republicans have a trifecta right now. Democrats have already passed bills against gerrymandering. Republicans could ban gerrymandering tomorrow if they wanted to! For all the performative bellyaching, it's clear they're not even remotely interested in matters of representation or fairness. They're just whining because their side lost.

Hard to keep track of all the double speak here. So it's bad on Republicans because aren't banning redistricting when they control the House and Senate and White House, and it's also Republicans' fault that Democrats didn't ban redistricting when they controlled the House and Senate and White House in 2021?

And it's Democrats who are the good guys on redistricting even though they're changing the map midcycle, via a deceptive ballot initiative, to give themselves 91 percent of Virginia's 11 House seats, even though it's a 50-50 state.

Virginia saw how Trump ordered red states to gerrymander mid-cycle.

Then, Virginia saw TX, MO, NC, OH all working to steal D seats.

Virginia grew a pair and decided to fight back. So here we are.

Don’t like it? Take it up with Trump.

This cycle of "they did it first so we have to do it too and we can't unilaterally disarm" is how all of our institutions in government will disintegrate. Redistricting will get more and more extreme, and more frequent. The filibuster in the Senate will be abolished. Politicians in both parties will start ignoring the law, and the courts, because they'll say Trump did it first, and if he did it, then why can't they? These genies don't go back into bottles. Bad precedents get normalized and what's even considered bad behavior gets defined down. It's a terrible road to go down.

I agree but the Democrats have spent years trying to be the party of norms while the Republicans have been crashing and burning everything in sight. I refuse to accept blame when we finally do something about it.

This good vs. evil view of the world seems very naive. Dems did all this shit too. They ignored laws before Trump came along. He just took what they did to a much, much greater extreme.

BoTh SiDEs

Dems have been pushing anti-gerrymandering legislation across the US.

Dems aren’t perfect but they haven’t been trying to burn everything down and breaking norms left and right.

Are you going to play dumb? Should I provide pages of evidence to support this? Or maybe you can acknowledge that Dems really did not “do all this shit too”.

Remember when Biden said he could forgive a half trillion dollars worth of student loans just because he wanted to? And everyone cheered? Totally, totally 100 percent illegal. Even Nancy Pelosi said he couldn't do that. Trumpies were furious and said if Biden can do that, well, then they can do all kinds of other stuff too.

Remember when the Supreme Court kept that from happening and Biden abided by their decision?

I think the point was that Biden was doing something he knew full well was illegal and was daring the Supreme Court to stop him, which is now what Trump is doing too, repeatedly.

Except back then our checks and balances were working. No one person should have unlimited power.

Today, no one in power is doing anything to stop Trump. Which is exactly why 1.5M Virginians voted YES.

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord. Virginia - this is a member of your legislature.

He lives in rural America. We call it Richmond.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think the Republican whining is a bit…unseemly? I can’t help but thinking about the little pipsqeak on the playground who bullies the big kid for years, then cries bloody murder when the big kid punches him back once and knocks him flat on his back.

AOC said it best when she said, “Wah wah wah.” I can’t help but see children every time I see Republican white men whining about injustice.

This is going to result in Democrats winning 10 of Virginia's 11 House districts. Reminder: Virginia is purple state. That's completely ridiculous. Why don't you just ban Republicans from voting altogether?

Politicians gaming the rules to nullify the votes of people they don't like is some shady fkcng business, and this genie does not go back in the bottle. When Republicans come back into power, as they inevitably will, I'm surely they do the same thing to Democrats, but worse. It's never just tit for tat.

Gerrymandering is stupid. It disenfranchises voters. It makes Congress *completely* dysfunctional. And it sets off an endless cycle of retribution between the parties. All if this is especially dumb because Democrats are going to win the House and Senate, anyway, even without this.

The people who support this are effectively voting to disenfranchise people they don't agree with. When democracy in America ends, you can say you did your small part.

What do you think would have been an appropriate response to Texas’ efforts to pass laws that VA must abide by, having supressed its voters?

DP. Something that follows the law would have been a good start. The VA Dems tried to cheat to try do their cheating. You can’t make this stuff up.

This followed the law.

Giving 10 out of 11 House seats to Democrats in an evenly divided state could hardly be more ridiculous.

There’s nothing in the law that says they can’t. Ask SCOTUS.

I agree it’s unfair. So I support the national band on political gerrymandering. Do you?

NP and yes.

Great! Call your republican member of congress (while they still have a job) because they’re the ones blocking it.

No, they're not. You know nothing about politics. A bill like this would never pass Congress regardless of which party is in charge.

Then call the D’s bluff.

Let’s see full R support and see what happens.

There is no bluff. You're just an idiot. Democrats will never support this. Neither will Republicans. No one in Congress is even seriously considering this.

Stop calling people idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

You should really try to learn the basics of politics and how Congress works before spouting off.

This bill passed the House five years ago, when Democrats controlled the entire government. They could have passed it into law, because they controlled the Senate and the White House, but they didn't because they didn't care all that much about it. It was a messaging bill. They had other things they actually cared about.

Second, the bill doesn't actually exist anymore, because all bills automatically die after two years. After two years, you have to start the whole process all over again. There is no bill just waiting for the Senate to be passed. Most of the bill who wrote that bill aren't even in Congress anymore. Many have since died or retired.

If Democrats who are currently in Congress wanted to do this, they could. They could write their own bill and try to rally support for it, and demand a vote. They haven't done any of that, because they don't care about this issue.

Dems have been working on this issue for years, reworking it many times.

Given the MAGA attacks on basic voting rights, the Dems have had bigger issues to fry and they have been pushing the SAVE Act and John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

But they do have a bill to address gerrymandering currently in the works:
https://thecensusproject.org/2025/11/07/the-redistricting-reform-act-s-2885-and-h-r-5449/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449/text

Lawmakers introduce probably 8,000 per year, every year, on everything under the sun. Most of them are meaningless messaging bills that are just designed to signal that a lawmakers cares about an issue. But they make zero effort to actually pass them. If Democrats actually wanted to ban redistricting you would hear the leadership talking about it all the time. The Speaker would be asking why this bill isn't on the floor. They would be gathering signatures for discharge petitions. They would be offering restricting amendments to the reconcilation bill that just passed the Senate. None of that is happening because all politicians, regardless of party, love gerrymandering because they want to pick who votes for them so they can stay in power forever.

This is almost correct. Republicans love gerrymandering. Democrats have consistently proposed bills that ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but Republicans don't support them.

Look, if there was something Republicans hated in the bill Democrats have proposed, they could strip them out and pass it tomorrow. Republicans have a trifecta right now. Democrats have already passed bills against gerrymandering. Republicans could ban gerrymandering tomorrow if they wanted to! For all the performative bellyaching, it's clear they're not even remotely interested in matters of representation or fairness. They're just whining because their side lost.

Hard to keep track of all the double speak here. So it's bad on Republicans because aren't banning redistricting when they control the House and Senate and White House, and it's also Republicans' fault that Democrats didn't ban redistricting when they controlled the House and Senate and White House in 2021?

And it's Democrats who are the good guys on redistricting even though they're changing the map midcycle, via a deceptive ballot initiative, to give themselves 91 percent of Virginia's 11 House seats, even though it's a 50-50 state.

Virginia saw how Trump ordered red states to gerrymander mid-cycle.

Then, Virginia saw TX, MO, NC, OH all working to steal D seats.

Virginia grew a pair and decided to fight back. So here we are.

Don’t like it? Take it up with Trump.

This cycle of "they did it first so we have to do it too and we can't unilaterally disarm" is how all of our institutions in government will disintegrate. Redistricting will get more and more extreme, and more frequent. The filibuster in the Senate will be abolished. Politicians in both parties will start ignoring the law, and the courts, because they'll say Trump did it first, and if he did it, then why can't they? These genies don't go back into bottles. Bad precedents get normalized and what's even considered bad behavior gets defined down. It's a terrible road to go down.

I agree but the Democrats have spent years trying to be the party of norms while the Republicans have been crashing and burning everything in sight. I refuse to accept blame when we finally do something about it.

This good vs. evil view of the world seems very naive. Dems did all this shit too. They ignored laws before Trump came along. He just took what they did to a much, much greater extreme.

BoTh SiDEs

Dems have been pushing anti-gerrymandering legislation across the US.

Dems aren’t perfect but they haven’t been trying to burn everything down and breaking norms left and right.

Are you going to play dumb? Should I provide pages of evidence to support this? Or maybe you can acknowledge that Dems really did not “do all this shit too”.

Remember when Biden said he could forgive a half trillion dollars worth of student loans just because he wanted to? And everyone cheered? Totally, totally 100 percent illegal. Even Nancy Pelosi said he couldn't do that. Trumpies were furious and said if Biden can do that, well, then they can do all kinds of other stuff too.

Remember when the Supreme Court kept that from happening and Biden abided by their decision?

I think the point was that Biden was doing something he knew full well was illegal and was daring the Supreme Court to stop him, which is now what Trump is doing too, repeatedly.

Yes. Biden was daring the Supreme Court to stop him from helping people. Totally the same!

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Anonymous wrote:Good Lord. Virginia - this is a member of your legislature.

Oh, c’mon, he’s just joking! (See, we can say that, too.)

He didn’t say it. And if he did, it was just a joke. Try not to be such a snowflake, Snowflake!

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else think the Republican whining is a bit…unseemly? I can’t help but thinking about the little pipsqeak on the playground who bullies the big kid for years, then cries bloody murder when the big kid punches him back once and knocks him flat on his back.

AOC said it best when she said, “Wah wah wah.” I can’t help but see children every time I see Republican white men whining about injustice.

This is going to result in Democrats winning 10 of Virginia's 11 House districts. Reminder: Virginia is purple state. That's completely ridiculous. Why don't you just ban Republicans from voting altogether?

Politicians gaming the rules to nullify the votes of people they don't like is some shady fkcng business, and this genie does not go back in the bottle. When Republicans come back into power, as they inevitably will, I'm surely they do the same thing to Democrats, but worse. It's never just tit for tat.

Gerrymandering is stupid. It disenfranchises voters. It makes Congress *completely* dysfunctional. And it sets off an endless cycle of retribution between the parties. All if this is especially dumb because Democrats are going to win the House and Senate, anyway, even without this.

The people who support this are effectively voting to disenfranchise people they don't agree with. When democracy in America ends, you can say you did your small part.

What do you think would have been an appropriate response to Texas’ efforts to pass laws that VA must abide by, having supressed its voters?

DP. Something that follows the law would have been a good start. The VA Dems tried to cheat to try do their cheating. You can’t make this stuff up.

This followed the law.

Giving 10 out of 11 House seats to Democrats in an evenly divided state could hardly be more ridiculous.

There’s nothing in the law that says they can’t. Ask SCOTUS.

I agree it’s unfair. So I support the national band on political gerrymandering. Do you?

NP and yes.

Great! Call your republican member of congress (while they still have a job) because they’re the ones blocking it.

No, they're not. You know nothing about politics. A bill like this would never pass Congress regardless of which party is in charge.

Then call the D’s bluff.

Let’s see full R support and see what happens.

There is no bluff. You're just an idiot. Democrats will never support this. Neither will Republicans. No one in Congress is even seriously considering this.

Stop calling people idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

You should really try to learn the basics of politics and how Congress works before spouting off.

This bill passed the House five years ago, when Democrats controlled the entire government. They could have passed it into law, because they controlled the Senate and the White House, but they didn't because they didn't care all that much about it. It was a messaging bill. They had other things they actually cared about.

Second, the bill doesn't actually exist anymore, because all bills automatically die after two years. After two years, you have to start the whole process all over again. There is no bill just waiting for the Senate to be passed. Most of the bill who wrote that bill aren't even in Congress anymore. Many have since died or retired.

If Democrats who are currently in Congress wanted to do this, they could. They could write their own bill and try to rally support for it, and demand a vote. They haven't done any of that, because they don't care about this issue.

Dems have been working on this issue for years, reworking it many times.

Given the MAGA attacks on basic voting rights, the Dems have had bigger issues to fry and they have been pushing the SAVE Act and John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

But they do have a bill to address gerrymandering currently in the works:
https://thecensusproject.org/2025/11/07/the-redistricting-reform-act-s-2885-and-h-r-5449/
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5449/text

Lawmakers introduce probably 8,000 per year, every year, on everything under the sun. Most of them are meaningless messaging bills that are just designed to signal that a lawmakers cares about an issue. But they make zero effort to actually pass them. If Democrats actually wanted to ban redistricting you would hear the leadership talking about it all the time. The Speaker would be asking why this bill isn't on the floor. They would be gathering signatures for discharge petitions. They would be offering restricting amendments to the reconcilation bill that just passed the Senate. None of that is happening because all politicians, regardless of party, love gerrymandering because they want to pick who votes for them so they can stay in power forever.

This is almost correct. Republicans love gerrymandering. Democrats have consistently proposed bills that ban partisan gerrymandering nationwide, but Republicans don't support them.

Look, if there was something Republicans hated in the bill Democrats have proposed, they could strip them out and pass it tomorrow. Republicans have a trifecta right now. Democrats have already passed bills against gerrymandering. Republicans could ban gerrymandering tomorrow if they wanted to! For all the performative bellyaching, it's clear they're not even remotely interested in matters of representation or fairness. They're just whining because their side lost.

Hard to keep track of all the double speak here. So it's bad on Republicans because aren't banning redistricting when they control the House and Senate and White House, and it's also Republicans' fault that Democrats didn't ban redistricting when they controlled the House and Senate and White House in 2021?

And it's Democrats who are the good guys on redistricting even though they're changing the map midcycle, via a deceptive ballot initiative, to give themselves 91 percent of Virginia's 11 House seats, even though it's a 50-50 state.

Virginia saw how Trump ordered red states to gerrymander mid-cycle.

Then, Virginia saw TX, MO, NC, OH all working to steal D seats.

Virginia grew a pair and decided to fight back. So here we are.

Don’t like it? Take it up with Trump.

This cycle of "they did it first so we have to do it too and we can't unilaterally disarm" is how all of our institutions in government will disintegrate. Redistricting will get more and more extreme, and more frequent. The filibuster in the Senate will be abolished. Politicians in both parties will start ignoring the law, and the courts, because they'll say Trump did it first, and if he did it, then why can't they? These genies don't go back into bottles. Bad precedents get normalized and what's even considered bad behavior gets defined down. It's a terrible road to go down.

I agree but the Democrats have spent years trying to be the party of norms while the Republicans have been crashing and burning everything in sight. I refuse to accept blame when we finally do something about it.

This good vs. evil view of the world seems very naive. Dems did all this shit too. They ignored laws before Trump came along. He just took what they did to a much, much greater extreme.

BoTh SiDEs

Dems have been pushing anti-gerrymandering legislation across the US.

Dems aren’t perfect but they haven’t been trying to burn everything down and breaking norms left and right.

Are you going to play dumb? Should I provide pages of evidence to support this? Or maybe you can acknowledge that Dems really did not “do all this shit too”.

Remember when Biden said he could forgive a half trillion dollars worth of student loans just because he wanted to? And everyone cheered? Totally, totally 100 percent illegal. Even Nancy Pelosi said he couldn't do that. Trumpies were furious and said if Biden can do that, well, then they can do all kinds of other stuff too.

Remember when the Supreme Court kept that from happening and Biden abided by their decision?

I think the point was that Biden was doing something he knew full well was illegal and was daring the Supreme Court to stop him, which is now what Trump is doing too, repeatedly.

Except back then our checks and balances were working. No one person should have unlimited power.

Today, no one in power is doing anything to stop Trump. Which is exactly why 1.5M Virginians voted YES.

I think you're missing the point. The pattern that's developing here is: Presidents doing things they know are illegal because:

1. They know very few people will have standing to sue to stop them
2. It will take the courts forever and a day to decide anything
3. Who knows? Maybe the courts will agree with their flimsy arguments? So why not roll the dice?

It would be better if presidents respected the law, and didn't waste the courts' resources with stupid bullshit, and the public wasn't left to wonder for a year or more about what might happen.

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Well and then they can ignore court rulings because who's going to stop them? Fire anybody who won't ignore them.