Other feds just very depressed?

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Anonymous wrote:This Musk thing is a terrible idea, as is a stark RTO mandate, but let's be clear on what it actually is and isn't:

1. DOGE is a set of private advisors, just like the thinktanks like Heritage that have been and will continue advising.
2. DOGE is not "wasteful" in the way that matters, because government funds will not be spent. It will be Musk-funded, so no tax-payer dollars.
3. No need for Congress to weigh in or approve DOGE in any way.
4. If they make recommendations before midterms, many of them will be approved by Congress. Some of them will not require Congressional approval. The executive branch has rule-making authority and many many "compliance" related requirements are rules or EOs.
4. Blanket RTO will cost little to no money in real estate because people will be crammed in to existing buildings. GSA has vacant buildings, they will reshuffle who goes where at no additional cost.
5. Executive agencies absolutely can spend less than their annual appropriation in personnel. It has happened before, many times. It is not illegal.
6. Sure a lot of this will be litigated, but injunctions will be minimal.
7. The unions will be of very little help, though I am sure they will try. Complying during grievance/arbitration/litigation is required in almost all instances. Thee are loopholes all over the language in CBAs. And the FLRA will be stacked in the Administration's favor.

Should this happen? Absolutely not.
Will it happen? Absolutely yes.

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Remember, they cannot fire an individual easily, but they can do away with entire divisions or departments. I'm sure this is where they are headed.

They can eliminate whatever they want but ultimately it’s up to Congress and there aren’t enough crazies in congress to implement this crap. What they will do is make lives miserable for federal employees in the meantime

You keep holding onto the idea that Congress is the be all, end all in this situation. They had four years to figure this out, it's not like the last time. Go forward taking care of your situation and preparing for whatever is coming, but thinking your job is protected would be a mistake.

Congress writes the appropriations bills, sets the overall spending levels for the government across the 12 bills, so yes Congress will decide whether to zero out funding for, let’s say the Department of Education. Will the spending limits be tighter? Yes. Will they put riders in that will stall funding? Sure. Will they maybe zero out certain programs? Most likely but just slash and burn the entire federal government and cut $2 trillion in discretionary spending? Congress can’t and won’t do that. E/V need a lesson in the appropriations process.

+1. Adding that most of this money does not go to the evil bureaucrats in DC, but to the members’ districts. The same members who put out press releases bragging about the money they got for back home.

With control of congress and the WH, do we really believe they are going to cut the budget???? They will try to move money to programs and states with "loyal" representatives and areas where Trump/Musk can direct contracts for their companies and friends. I wouldn't be surprised if the budget and the national debt increase over the next four years.

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It would be a start. And contractors hired to do useless work. And contractors hired to do the work some feds are too lazy/incompetent to do.

Hiring contractors would be more expensive, not less, as avg salaries and overall cost of contractors are higher than those of feds, not lower.

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It would be a start. And contractors hired to do useless work. And contractors hired to do the work some feds are too lazy/incompetent to do.

Hiring contractors would be more expensive, not less, as avg salaries and overall cost of contractors are higher than those of feds, not lower.

Odds are that DOGE will hire those people and get a nice chunk of profit. It's all a grift.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread proves that the government is overloaded with partisan Democrats. Hope Vivek and Elon are monitoring. Thanks for outing yourselves.

Not a fed.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread proves that the government is overloaded with partisan Democrats. Hope Vivek and Elon are monitoring. Thanks for outing yourselves.

Why? You think people should be fired for their political opinions?

If the previous PP believes that it's okay for "Vivek and Elon" to monitor posts on an anonymous board that may have been written by federal workers who are Dems, then the authoritarian mind control is working well, at least with this poster. One of the way authoritarian governments stay in control is by instilling fear in the populace and encouraging the feeling that they are being monitored at all times.

Yeah, too bad the Trump voters can’t see what is right in front of them. Not the brightest bunch.

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I’m a fed and yes I’m feeling depressed mainly because there are just too many unknowns. I’m more worried about what they can do administratively that doesn’t require an act of Congress. Change Feds to termed appointments. Change around our TSP, our benefits. Freeze our pay. Fire at will via his EO. There’s a ton they can do that does not require Congress to intervene. Funding is one thing and that is up to Congress, but fed workforce policy, pay, benefits is at the whim of POTUS and OPM. Just sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a fed and yes I’m feeling depressed mainly because there are just too many unknowns. I’m more worried about what they can do administratively that doesn’t require an act of Congress. Change Feds to termed appointments. Change around our TSP, our benefits. Freeze our pay. Fire at will via his EO. There’s a ton they can do that does not require Congress to intervene. Funding is one thing and that is up to Congress, but fed workforce policy, pay, benefits is at the whim of POTUS and OPM. Just sad.

Chin up. I’m not an expert by any means, but I don’t think that what you’ve written about the overwhelming power of POTUS and OPM vis-a-vis feds is all true. I believe Congress does have to approve those changes. And don’t forget that the Republican majority in the House is very slim, and that Rs in the House are fractious. They will need Dem votes to get anything passed, thus giving Dems bargaining chips.

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It would be a start. And contractors hired to do useless work. And contractors hired to do the work some feds are too lazy/incompetent to do.

Hiring contractors would be more expensive, not less, as avg salaries and overall cost of contractors are higher than those of feds, not lower.

Odds are that DOGE will hire those people and get a nice chunk of profit. It's all a grift.

[Anonymous]

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It would be a start. And contractors hired to do useless work. And contractors hired to do the work some feds are too lazy/incompetent to do.

Hiring contractors would be more expensive, not less, as avg salaries and overall cost of contractors are higher than those of feds, not lower.

Only 20-30% of Feds do any real work. They are valuable. We should give them a raise and an attractive career track.

AI implementation will increase the productivity of the high value added Feds and contractors.

The goal is to eliminate the unproductive 70% of the non-DOD Fed work force.

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It would be a start. And contractors hired to do useless work. And contractors hired to do the work some feds are too lazy/incompetent to do.

Hiring contractors would be more expensive, not less, as avg salaries and overall cost of contractors are higher than those of feds, not lower.

Only 20-30% of Feds do any real work. They are valuable. We should give them a raise and an attractive career track.

AI implementation will increase the productivity of the high value added Feds and contractors.

The goal is to eliminate the unproductive 70% of the non-DOD Fed work force.

And how does choosing by SSN make that happen?

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It would be a start. And contractors hired to do useless work. And contractors hired to do the work some feds are too lazy/incompetent to do.

Hiring contractors would be more expensive, not less, as avg salaries and overall cost of contractors are higher than those of feds, not lower.

Only 20-30% of Feds do any real work. They are valuable. We should give them a raise and an attractive career track.

AI implementation will increase the productivity of the high value added Feds and contractors.

The goal is to eliminate the unproductive 70% of the non-DOD Fed work force.

And how does choosing by SSN make that happen?

Exactly. There is no goal to increase productivity. The goal is to create chaos.

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Your call is very important to us. Please hold. This will end well.

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I don't understand why everyone is trying to justify that Govt would cease to exist or function if a few feds are gone. At my DoD agency, you can get rid of 1/3 of feds and it would not make a big difference in our productivity. Something like this needs to happen to make sure Govt don't get bloated and we stay sharp. Fed appraisal system has no way to easily get rid of feds so one bad hire keeps the whole section behind. It is not fair to people who work their behind off in fed Govt. I am a fed too.

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They are forming a commission of former generals to MAGA-test and fire DOD brass that lack loyalty. The SES level people at my agency have already been told there is a hit-list assembled. This isn’t about shrinking government or preventing waste. It’s about replacing policy-level career people with MAGA loyalists—and embedding them as the new deep state for years to come. Be very afraid.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why everyone is trying to justify that Govt would cease to exist or function if a few feds are gone. At my DoD agency, you can get rid of 1/3 of feds and it would not make a big difference in our productivity. Something like this needs to happen to make sure Govt don't get bloated and we stay sharp. Fed appraisal system has no way to easily get rid of feds so one bad hire keeps the whole section behind. It is not fair to people who work their behind off in fed Govt. I am a fed too.

We all know DoD is bloated but some of us are doing twice the work with no increase in staff.