Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

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That there is actually a thread on this, much less a lengthy one, explains the state of the Democrat party.

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Anonymous wrote:That there is actually a thread on this, much less a lengthy one, explains the state of the Democrat party.

Precisely. But Democrats are plugging their ears and pretending everything is just fine. This is my number one issue and I know I'm not alone.

[Anonymous]

Good article I just read from a progressive that is honest about how the administration has approached this issue. They admit that Biden went hard left from the start under advice from Latino and migrant interest non profits. What I really can’t stand is the denialism. These people claiming what we see right in front of our face isn’t real. At least admit the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Working on farms in the Upper Midwest is much different than picking fruit in the Central Valley of California in the summer. Also, those retail and restaurant type jobs usually do not pay a living wage, that is acceptable to US citizens. Now, if those employers were open to paying higher wages, then maybe you would see more US born people working them. I think it is just a matter of supply and demand.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article I just read from a progressive that is honest about how the administration has approached this issue. They admit that Biden went hard left from the start under advice from Latino and migrant interest non profits. What I really can’t stand is the denialism. These people claiming what we see right in front of our face isn’t real. At least admit the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Working on farms in the Upper Midwest is much different than picking fruit in the Central Valley of California in the summer. Also, those retail and restaurant type jobs usually do not pay a living wage, that is acceptable to US citizens. Now, if those employers were open to paying higher wages, then maybe you would see more US born people working them. I think it is just a matter of supply and demand.

You realize that illegal immigrants are not subject to minimum wage. Sure, the Department of Labor will tell you all day they are.
Meanwhile, real world, the DOL and law enforcement are not sending out people to check. In fact, it's a hands off market.
So after a while, businesses know right where to go. And, the EEOC will protect the business by written language stating the business cannot challenge documentation and the prospective worker can provide documentation from a list of acceptable documents of their choice.

So you have TWO standards whether you want to admit it or not. One for citizens and one for all-else. Guess who is disadvantaged?

Plus you have legal language protecting the applicant. So as much as you yahoos want to sue businesses for doing evil, businesses are following written law because they don't want the government to sue them.

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The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. § 1324

Discrimination based on citizenship status is expressly prohibited by the Immigration and Nationality Act's (INA) anti-discrimination provision, 8 U.S.C. § 1324b. The law prohibits: 1) citizenship status discrimination in hiring, firing, or recruitment or referral for a fee; 2) national origin discrimination in hiring, firing, or recruitment or referral for a fee; 3) unfair documentary practices during the employment eligibility verification, Form I-9 and E-Verify processes; and 4) retaliation or intimidation.

The anti-discrimination provision of the INA is enforced by the Immigrant and Employee Rights Section (IER) in the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division. For more information, contact IER at the numbers below (9:00 am-5:00 pm ET, Monday-Friday) or visit IER's website. Calls can be anonymous and in any language:

IER Employer Hotline: [phone]
IER Employee Hotline: [phone]
1-800-237-2515 and 202-616-5525(TTY for employees/applicants and employers)
www.justice.gov/ier

A memorandum of understanding (MOU) between the EEOC and IER (formerly known as the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices) provides that the agencies will refer to each other charges that allege violations under the laws each agency enforces. EEOC will forward complaints to IER for investigation as appropriate under the MOU. Examples of prohibited discrimination under the INA include:

- U.S. citizen-only policy that discriminates against certain non-U.S. citizens authorized to work in the United States.
- Requiring applicants or newly hired employees to provide certain specific or additional employment authorization documents because of their citizenship status or national origin rather than accepting any of the several forms of documentation individuals are permitted to submit under applicable federal law.

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/fact-sheet-immigrants-employment-rights-under-federal-anti-discrimination-laws

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Anonymous wrote:Good article I just read from a progressive that is honest about how the administration has approached this issue. They admit that Biden went hard left from the start under advice from Latino and migrant interest non profits. What I really can’t stand is the denialism. These people claiming what we see right in front of our face isn’t real. At least admit the truth.

It shows the political IQ of Trump that he didn’t gut Obamacare just to be spiteful on his first day in office. He knew it was popular.

Biden and Kamala wanted to spite Trump rather than do what’s best for the country and what’s popular. They show themselves in the foot and are embarassed to claim the border czar title these days because it was an epic fail. Kamala’s conclusion was migration was growing because of climate change so she spent billions to Latin American corrupt governments to fight “climate change” to stem migration. They laughed but took the money away. Our tax money down the drain..

They not only opened the border On Day 1 as president but they openly traveled to the border to welcome people-something never done before. They were encouraging illegal entry, opening it to drugs, guns, sex trafficking, kidnapping. The FBI just quietly admitted yesterday that crime has gone up. Trump was right yet again.

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By the way; the Biden administration didn’t care to give one COVId shot to any of these millions of migrants entering the border. Meanwhile; Americans were mandated to get them for work.

After strictly fast food and grocery inflation rose 2 1/2 years after Trump left office directly tied to the start of the Ukraine war, migrants were given free food at shelters and over 20k a year in food stamps while Americans starved and had the same services for the poor like Medicare Advantage and food stamps gutted. Apparently it’s ok for an illegal to not pay to enter the country and pay for groceries but you have to. It’s ok for a transgender prisoner to get a sex change operation but seniors shouldn’t get Medicare.

Biden has long been an enemy to Medicare unlike Trump who stands against his own party to support it and pushed along with Bernie Sanders for some major generic drug shipments from Canada particularly for cheaper insulin to come to the US. Lots of seniors especially minority seniors use insulin and know who made the price lower

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Big Pharma hates trump. Ever wonder why you see all the drug ads on cnn and msnbc? Big Pharma sponsors them and trump is an enemy to big Pharma. Trump is unlike any other Republican or Democrat politician thus far as he’s not beholden to special interests as he comes from money and has friends from everywhere. This scares the deep state. He’s anti war and anti big Pharma and a bit of a conspiracy theorist/doesn’t trust the Pentagon or CIA. Essentially, he represents what most Americans think and feel about these issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article I just read from a progressive that is honest about how the administration has approached this issue. They admit that Biden went hard left from the start under advice from Latino and migrant interest non profits. What I really can’t stand is the denialism. These people claiming what we see right in front of our face isn’t real. At least admit the truth.

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And there is no doubt that if Harris wins, she will absolutely be doing the bidding of the immigrant lobby. This article makes it clear that she’s sounding tough(er) about the border while campaigning and none of the progressives are pushing back - yet. They know she has to be elected first and then they’ll have her ear. No thanks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/06/harris-border-immigration-policy/

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Anonymous wrote:Big Pharma hates trump. Ever wonder why you see all the drug ads on cnn and msnbc? Big Pharma sponsors them and trump is an enemy to big Pharma. Trump is unlike any other Republican or Democrat politician thus far as he’s not beholden to special interests as he comes from money and has friends from everywhere. This scares the deep state. He’s anti war and anti big Pharma and a bit of a conspiracy theorist/doesn’t trust the Pentagon or CIA. Essentially, he represents what most Americans think and feel about these issues.

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This is like asking why people are so worked up about abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Pharma hates trump. Ever wonder why you see all the drug ads on cnn and msnbc? Big Pharma sponsors them and trump is an enemy to big Pharma. Trump is unlike any other Republican or Democrat politician thus far as he’s not beholden to special interests as he comes from money and has friends from everywhere. This scares the deep state. He’s anti war and anti big Pharma and a bit of a conspiracy theorist/doesn’t trust the Pentagon or CIA. Essentially, he represents what most Americans think and feel about these issues.

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Trump scares them because his philosophy is peace through strength and not being the worlds policeman or caring who is a bad guy or not. This is a man who donated to both Republicans and Democrats. He’s a pragmatist not an ideologue which scares the media who thinks you should only be in one gang and one side. Not Trump. He’s worked with Bernie on prescriptions and will work with RFK. He works with bad guys all his life and doesn’t think it’s his business to tell others to run their affairs or country. He also doesn’t believe in the give away economy. He doesn’t think the US should be the worlds sugar daddy and that we should be funding Polands military defenses when US farmers or seniors are starving.

He’s a man who God has favored and even after two death threats will certainly be the next President in a few weeks in a history making Republican victory never before seen among all minorities. He’s going to unite America and heal it ..if they let him

Watch Trump here in 1987 saying the same platform he says today even before he entered politics, meanwhile the one running against him had a complete opposite platform three years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:That there is actually a thread on this, much less a lengthy one, explains the state of the Democrat party.

Precisely. But Democrats are plugging their ears and pretending everything is just fine. This is my number one issue and I know I'm not alone.

The denial of progressives and radical liberals echoes the mindset of Biden-Harris. They opened the border with their executive orders, denied the resulting migrant crisis, laughably claimed the border was secure, claimed there was nothing they could do, then issued an executive order a few months before the election to get bad headlines about the border out of the news during the campaign. Neither Biden nor Harris are serious about stemming illegal immigration. Their actions, and inaction, speak volumes. I voted for Trump the other day, because I could not stomach voting for a candidate and party that neglects the most basic aspect of governance - to secure its own national borders.

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Anonymous wrote:Good article I just read from a progressive that is honest about how the administration has approached this issue. They admit that Biden went hard left from the start under advice from Latino and migrant interest non profits. What I really can’t stand is the denialism. These people claiming what we see right in front of our face isn’t real. At least admit the truth.

I can’t stand the people claiming that Biden is a moderate. He campaigned as a moderate, but governed from the far left. Just compare his administration to Obama’s administration. Biden pursued incredibly far left policies on spending, immigration, student debt, the climate, etc. Now, Harris is playing the same game, pretending to be a moderate on the campaign trail. However, if she wins, she will pursue the same far left agenda she and Biden have pursued during their time in the White House.

I didn’t vote for Biden in 2020, but I believe he misinterpreted the electorate. Many people voted for him for a return to normalcy from Covid and Trump. He interpreted his election to mean he was given the mandate to be the new FDR. His administration was so bad and so unpopular, he ended up having to withdraw from his re-election bid, because everyone saw the writing in the wall that he was losing. If he had had a successful administration, Trump never would have been viable as a candidate after January 6.