Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in rural Michigan and go back often. There are no immigrants there and all the work gets done. Teenagers working fast food and picking apples. Americanborn men replacing roofs and American born women working at daycares.

This is America! We will get it done. We always have always will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in rural Michigan and go back often. There are no immigrants there and all the work gets done. Teenagers working fast food and picking apples. Americanborn men replacing roofs and American born women working at daycares.

Democrats in 1863 after the Emancipation Proclamation-"Are you prepared for how much your food will increase in price?

[Anonymous]

I've been on sabbatical from DCUM for a while - must say it was refreshing. But I'm bored now and felt the need to addess OP's original question.

First, OP needs to understand terminology and context. We are not talking about "legal" immigration. We are not talking about the normal "drip" illegal immigration. We are also not talking about the properly vetted asylum seekers.

Second, OP needs to understand that this is not solely an issue in the US. It is a global issue and crisis.
https://ecre.org/mediterranean-disagreement-about-funding-for-new-fence-and-concerns-about-surveillance-on-greece-turkiye-border-%E2%80%95-investigation-into-migrant-death-in-greek-police-station-%E2%80%95-italy-consi/

Italy is a prime example...back in 2021 it was touted as being the only country that "welcomes everyone from the Mediterranean."
https://newdailycompass.com/en/european-countries-build-walls-to-protect-their-borders

Fast forward to 2024 and we see this: https://www.msuilr.org/new-blog/2024/3/1/building-the-wall-around-southern-europe-a-look-into-italys-future-with-the-recent-election-of-an-extreme-anti-immigrant-far-right-party

OP, you should read below article from yesterday:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-deportations-eu-migration-anti-immigrant-parties-borders-asylum/
More than half of EU member countries, including France and Germany, asked the EU to toughen up its deportations policy ahead of 27 EU leaders meeting Thursday — and now the head of the EU’s powerful chief executive is putting her rubber stamp on deportations.

Von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said in a press conference that leaders had discussed setting up deportation centers outside the EU’s borders, referring to them as “return hubs.”

This is a global crisis. The US needs to get on board with similar immigration reform policies occurring in the EU -- building walls and setting up deportation centers outside US borders - return hubs. Regardless of who wins...this must be done. So yes, it is a huge...in fact global issue that should be addressed by POTUS nominees.

[Anonymous]

We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

You do realize that we currently have laws in place that cb deal with this. We do not need a bad bill to address millions of people walking thousands of miles to get here. We already have laws that can address this.

Not everyone immigrated here freely

Slaves built this county, not immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

You do realize that we currently have laws in place that cb deal with this. We do not need a bad bill to address millions of people walking thousands of miles to get here. We already have laws that can address this.

Not everyone immigrated here freely

Slaves built this county, not immigrants.

Unless you are a Native American, you do realize that we are all descendants of immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

You do realize that we currently have laws in place that cb deal with this. We do not need a bad bill to address millions of people walking thousands of miles to get here. We already have laws that can address this.

Not everyone immigrated here freely

Slaves built this county, not immigrants.

Unless you are a Native American, you do realize that we are all descendants of immigrants.

Nope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

You do realize that we currently have laws in place that cb deal with this. We do not need a bad bill to address millions of people walking thousands of miles to get here. We already have laws that can address this.

Not everyone immigrated here freely

Slaves built this county, not immigrants.

Unless you are a Native American, you do realize that we are all descendants of immigrants.

Nope

One cannot be an immigrant before a nation-state exists. But, you know that…

[Anonymous]

This location on the map is surrounded by million dollar homes. My child’s school is an eighth of a mile from here (on the map). It is where a cache of MS-13 weapons were discovered a year and a half ago. This is 1.5 miles from the Pentagon. Less than a mile from deputy cabinet level officials’ homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been on sabbatical from DCUM for a while - must say it was refreshing. But I'm bored now and felt the need to addess OP's original question.

First, OP needs to understand terminology and context. We are not talking about "legal" immigration. We are not talking about the normal "drip" illegal immigration. We are also not talking about the properly vetted asylum seekers.

Second, OP needs to understand that this is not solely an issue in the US. It is a global issue and crisis.
https://ecre.org/mediterranean-disagreement-about-funding-for-new-fence-and-concerns-about-surveillance-on-greece-turkiye-border-%E2%80%95-investigation-into-migrant-death-in-greek-police-station-%E2%80%95-italy-consi/

Italy is a prime example...back in 2021 it was touted as being the only country that "welcomes everyone from the Mediterranean."
https://newdailycompass.com/en/european-countries-build-walls-to-protect-their-borders

Fast forward to 2024 and we see this: https://www.msuilr.org/new-blog/2024/3/1/building-the-wall-around-southern-europe-a-look-into-italys-future-with-the-recent-election-of-an-extreme-anti-immigrant-far-right-party

OP, you should read below article from yesterday:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-deportations-eu-migration-anti-immigrant-parties-borders-asylum/
More than half of EU member countries, including France and Germany, asked the EU to toughen up its deportations policy ahead of 27 EU leaders meeting Thursday — and now the head of the EU’s powerful chief executive is putting her rubber stamp on deportations.

Von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said in a press conference that leaders had discussed setting up deportation centers outside the EU’s borders, referring to them as “return hubs.”

This is a global crisis. The US needs to get on board with similar immigration reform policies occurring in the EU -- building walls and setting up deportation centers outside US borders - return hubs. Regardless of who wins...this must be done. So yes, it is a huge...in fact global issue that should be addressed by POTUS nominees.

+100
Norway and Finland are in the process of building border walls and no one is calling them racist. Countries have the right to protect their borders.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

Any job you can think of, you horrid shrew. Gas station clerks, line cooks, janitors, factory workers, tree trimmers, etc. Everyone I grew up with was a blue collar worker. I don't know how much every single person was getting paid, I just know they weren't getting undercut by illegal alien, under the table labor. Consumers were willing to pay for their labor because -- wait for it -- they didn't have any other choice. You obviously have no idea what it's like to live in small town America.

Hope I didn't keep you waiting too long.

+1 I grew up in a rural farming area of the upper Midwest. Scattered very small towns with several “larger towns” of 25K ish nearby. I’m 45. The only immigrants I ever heard of worked at the meat packing plant a few towns over. Factory work and other blue collar services were good full time jobs. Restaurant and retail type work was mostly teens, people between jobs, moms working part time, etc. A lot of farmers or farmer’s wives also picked up part time work to supplement farm income (bus drivers, lunch ladies, handyman or other work that was paid by the job, a few shifts per week at the gas station or whatever). Almost every teen had a part time job of some sort once they were 16. Everything got done.

Plenty of Americans work construction. I just spent 4 months in Montana. Virtually every construction job is held by Americans.
There is a lot of construction going on in the state now. Also, everytime I fly out of Montana at least 20-25% of the seats on the plane are filled by men (Americans) flying to Texas to work construction jobs.

I also spend a lot of time in the eastern shore of Md and stay at a Hampton Inn. On all of my stays there are a lot of American men, both white and African American, working commercial/government construction jobs on the Eastern Shore. They are generally South Carolinians and North Carolinians who commute to their construction jobs on the Eastern Shore.

Interestingly I never ran into any construction workers from Baltimore City working on the Eastern Shore.

While I'm talking about the Eastern Shore, famers regularly picked up factory jobs on the Eastern Shore and were considered good reliable workers. Sadly, most of these factory jobs left the area in the 1990s and are now done in China or Mexico.

And what is your family of origin? Are you Native American? If not, then what exactly are you arguing over?

Do you really think this is an effective, “gotcha” retort? No wonder democrats are losing on this issue.

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It's pretty astounding that someone actually thinks they have a point with that idiotic reasoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

There are already more than two million getting green cards every year. No need to let in millions more.

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Anonymous wrote:We should be proud that we live in a country where families will walk a thousand miles seeking opportunity. Yes, some really bad actors have entered as well but the bipartisan bill shot down by Trump early this year would have helped deal with that to a decent extent. We are a country of immigrants who all came here for a better opportunity. Immigrants have built this country. Now with a birth rate that is leading to a population decline, good immigration is even more important. We need hard working young immigrants because we have an aging population.

You do realize that we currently have laws in place that cb deal with this. We do not need a bad bill to address millions of people walking thousands of miles to get here. We already have laws that can address this.

Not everyone immigrated here freely

Slaves built this county, not immigrants.

Unless you are a Native American, you do realize that we are all descendants of immigrants.

Every human in history outside a few in west Africa is a descendant of someone who migrated somewhere.

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Yes. We know already that the flow of illegal aliens has exploded during the Biden administration.