USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high.

Exactly. The haters keep yelling resources, resources, resources without explaining how that’s actually applied to their education.

Smaller class sizes? Explain to me how 15 kids from Philips Exeter talking about poverty in America, and who’s only experience of hardship is being dropped two blocks away from school coz daddy’s late for his executive conference, is better education than 25-30 diverse students in a Berkeley class room led by a professor in the cutting edge of his/her field.

That’s why US News did away with this silly class size metric. If they bring it back, they should do it responsibly. Smaller doesn’t necessarily mean better. In fact, it can actually stunt learning.

USNWR made a conscious effort to emphasize "mobility" (e.g. Pell eligible) and metrics like class size were standing in the way of having some large publics with sizeable Pell populations rise. USNWR did away with class size, student faculty ratio, and metrics like alumni giving percentage to benefit the large Pell schools. But you can certainly argue that a Pell-eligible student, just like any other student, could benefit from smaller classes, better ratios, and more engaged alumni, so why drop them. Wouldn't it have been better for USNWR to have two lists?

Fully agree.
Two lists would be interesting

If you want to bring back class sizes, do so responsibly. There is such a thing as too small. This is especially manifest in humanities where social engagement is crucial. Anything lower than 20 students should be penalized. 25-30 should be ideal. That’s a reasonable compromise between public and privates. I’ve had many classes where I preferred the actual class versus the small group discussions due to the diversity of ideas. Often times, nobody wants to talk in the small group discussions .

Another metric us news needs to incorporate is grad/research level. You can’t deny the fact that the grad/research level has a profound effect on the quality of the undergrad. It’s the same professors that teach them and grad students serve as TAs.

And, no, grad students don’t teach classes at the public schools. I don’t know where you guys are hearing that from. There are some classes taught by grad students, but they’re often not the required courses, but usually one-unit special courses for you to take if you have time or space in your schedule.

What I would like us news to do is combine its global and national ranking. I think that’s fair.

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Counterintuitively, I think we're approaching a cultural juncture wherein CS/engineering/tech is increasingly being derided and looked down upon. Yes, of course, tech and innovation are incredibly important and integral for the advancement of society, but it's also the source of so many societal ills.

And it doesn't help that people who work in (and/or aspire to work in) Big Tech are almost unilaterally boring, one-note, zero-personality, and almost all overbearingly insufferable. Seriously, walk around downtown SF or San Jose for a weekend. It's dystopian in all the worst ways. The tech industry has completely molested the Bay Area to beyond recognition.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is on their shitlist.

As it should be. Cheaters.

Columbia should be lower than Brown and Cornell, just above Dartmouth at the bottom of the T20

Why would you think this? Columbia has a gorgeous campus in the heart of NYC with endless opportunities for internships and jobs. Brown has always been popular but Providence is a tiny town and Boston is 2 hours away. Cornell and Dartmouth are so far north. Dartmouth is known for some school spirit...Cornell not so much from what I have heard.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia is on their shitlist.

As it should be. Cheaters.

Columbia should be lower than Brown and Cornell, just above Dartmouth at the bottom of the T20

Why would you think this? Columbia has a gorgeous campus in the heart of NYC with endless opportunities for internships and jobs. Brown has always been popular but Providence is a tiny town and Boston is 2 hours away. Cornell and Dartmouth are so far north. Dartmouth is known for some school spirit...Cornell not so much from what I have heard.

Providence is not a tiny town and it’s 50 miles from Boston with a train. Don’t care about ranking, but that part just isn’t accurate.

Cornell has a lot of school spirit in its own ways, hockey and Dragon Days for example. I can find good in just about any school, all excellent educations.

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Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

No, there is not

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Anonymous wrote:I think ND drops out of T20. I'm calling it.

Why?

They announced they are going need blind, " immediately". The urgency makes it seem like something is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

Closest proxy is Ivy Plus. That is, the Ivy League plus Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, and Hopkins.

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Googling ivy plus schools makes it clear that list is nowhere near accepted either!

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“Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.”

We get it. That way you can eliminate all public universities from these discussions. It used to be top 25. Now it top 20, soon to be 14.

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Saw a rumor on WSO that Emory is T20 this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

Closest proxy is Ivy Plus. That is, the Ivy League plus Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, and Hopkins.

Add CalTech to this and you have a pretty universally accepted top 15 in my opinion (With HYPSM as a step above the rest).

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Academically Yale is the weakest of HYPSM and I could see it being grouped more with Penn, Duke, Columbia

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Anonymous wrote:Again, Caltech's entire student undergraduate student body is less than the freshman class at any of the other schools discussed.

It's also a relative unknown on the east coast to many.

https://tech.caltech.edu/2024/04/26/letter-sat-reinstatement/

Good read into the state of Caltech plaguing other schools I'm sure as well.

It's very well known. Most people I've spoken to about schools consider it the west coast equivalent to MIT, just smaller

I think that the west cost people feel like Stanford is Harvard and MIT combined.

Cal Tech is where they film the big bang theory after the asians have left for the day.

USNWR actually has a diversity rank, which has Caltech tied with Harvard, Yale, MIT, UChicago and a few others at 15th.

Don't get me wrong. I love caltech but it doesn't look like BBT.