USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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I think ND drops out of T20. I'm calling it.

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Anonymous wrote:Cal gets overlooked on DCUM a lot. People here seem to equate it to Michigan. On the West Coast reputation wise and in the engineering recruiting world, it is right up there with Stanford.
If you are looking for a private school that has a great tech reputation but isn't quite at the top ranking wise, take a good look a CMU. Big tech loves CMU. I frequently hear it mentioned alongside MIT and Caltech.

cal undergrad is in no way shape or form “right up there with stanford”

it has a horrible rep as berzerkeley. low yield at 44% vs stanford at 82% despite cheaper instate discount. test blind, unsafe campus, overcrowded, and poor quality of education.

no one is making that mistake.

I am glad DC made the mistake and I never read about Berkeley on these boards when he applied. He is a math major who got a return internship offer at a top firm next year making $85k for 12 weeks next summer. Berkeley is a much bigger school and obviously cannot compete with Stanford in terms of resources. However, my DC has had excellent math profs, research opportunities and the peer group is excellent. It is for a stufent that can seek opportunities. If you strip out ED from many ivies (except HYPMS) - the yield will not be better that high.

Exactly. The haters keep yelling resources, resources, resources without explaining how that’s actually applied to their education.

Smaller class sizes? Explain to me how 15 kids from Philips Exeter talking about poverty in America, and who’s only experience of hardship is being dropped two blocks away from school coz daddy’s late for his executive conference, is better education than 25-30 diverse students in a Berkeley class room led by a professor in the cutting edge of his/her field.

That’s why US News did away with this silly class size metric. If they bring it back, they should do it responsibly. Smaller doesn’t necessarily mean better. In fact, it can actually stunt learning.

USNWR made a conscious effort to emphasize "mobility" (e.g. Pell eligible) and metrics like class size were standing in the way of having some large publics with sizeable Pell populations rise. USNWR did away with class size, student faculty ratio, and metrics like alumni giving percentage to benefit the large Pell schools. But you can certainly argue that a Pell-eligible student, just like any other student, could benefit from smaller classes, better ratios, and more engaged alumni, so why drop them. Wouldn't it have been better for USNWR to have two lists?

Fully agree.
Two lists would be interesting

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

You're so completely out of your depth.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

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Anonymous wrote:I think ND drops out of T20. I'm calling it.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

Interesting. Almost no one I know chose Rice, and I imagine we move in similar circles.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

We had quite a few unhooked (neither legacy/athlete/donor) into Ivies at our DC private this year. Much more than years past.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

NP here, in DC not NYC. Did you know: there are meritorious goals **other** than tech innovation? I know, right?!?

Those innovators need to do crazy shit once in while like see the doctor. Visit the dentist. Have their home designed by an architect. Have their child taught chemistry by a teacher. Spill their depressed guts to a therapist (MD, PhsyD, MSW). Maybe they want to watch a basketball game and are happy their star player has been fixed by a physical therapist. Dog sick? They're gonna want a DVM from that fusty Cornell Veterinary School.

I'm sure everyone reading this is thrilled by "innovation," since we're all reading this thread on a product that came out of the Valley. Me included. But. It's so creepy that people like you fixate exclusively on INNOVATION and CS. You need a contingent of people to use those INNOVATIONS, even in a world with robots

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

Interesting. Almost no one I know chose Rice, and I imagine we move in similar circles.

Both are Asian STEM kids (different schools) with high stats but did not apply ED anywhere (SCEA in early round).

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

Northwestern and Rice are very different. Northwestern has many kids from wealthy families. Rice has few for a top private school.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

Interesting. Almost no one I know chose Rice, and I imagine we move in similar circles.

Rice surprises me too. Georgetown and Vandy are the two I'd replace it with in my observations. Rice is more in the Emory and WashU group. Rice still doesn't have the NW or JHU name recognition despite the endowment and ranking.

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Rice gets a lot of wealthy kids, they're just from Texas