USNWR Top 10 Leaked

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

I remember a time when they used to look down a bit on schools like MIT and Caltech, but I think you can put them on that list without people laughing at you.

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Anonymous wrote:Embargoed means it still has time to change right? I think a more reasonable list would go:

1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Harvard
3. Stanford
5. Yale
6. Caltech
6. Duke
8. Johns Hopkins
8. Northwestern
10. Penn

Well sheeit, if we're going to do that then I'd say:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Harvard
3. Cal Tech
5. Princeton
6. Duke
6. Johns Hopkins
8. Yale
8. Penn
10. Brown

We found the Brown alum who was rejected by Northwestern !

Kids at Brown don't care about Northwestern.

Oh but they do. For finance bros and stem kids, Brown is seen as an easier admit and not as good as Northwestern—so many kids who get deferred or rejected from ED at Penn Wharton or engineering or M&T(insanely popular among males from wealthy families) “settle” for Brown or Dartmouth in RD, and often do not get into Northwestern RD but would prefer it over Brown if they did.

I would disagree. Students would choose Brown and Dartmouth over Northwestern.

Of course they would. Then you get to say you're an Ivy Leaguer for the rest of your life. And I am not being sarcastic.

Does anyone really say they are an Ivy Leaguer or went to an Ivy League school though? Harvard and Yale grads don't. The old joke was that Cornell alums did. Now that Cornell looks like it probably won't be the lowest ranked Ivy League school again in the near future, joke is on everyone else! Stanford grads will tell you they are glad they avoided seeing the crappy Ivy League sports (well maybe not over the last few down years)

Employers and cocktail party attendees look at Northwestern as just as good academically. Parent groups will be impressed too!

+1. This is definitely not a thing. I move in silver-spoon circles in NYC and Northwestern (along with Duke, Stanford, Chicago) alums are viewed as the same as the Ivy League schools.

Agree, elite is elite. They are all the same tier to everyone from those schools. There are even dating groups and other social networking groups for young professionals that invite alums from these schools, not just ivies. Some add Amherst and Williams too.

I am sure your silver spoon circles did not get their kids into most of these schools through merit (must be some niche sport or legacy). These same kids have been socializing with each others in their private nursery and HS since childhood so their dating pools are already set. No important or consequential innovation has come out of any of these NYC circles so it is not even a circle worth trying to belong to.

The kids I know who matriculated to Northwestern were all incredibly bright and traditionally book-smart. I'm fairly certain they would have had their pick at a handful of Ivies, too, although I imagine most would still choose HYPSM without a doubt. Is this different from your experience?

My kids are in TT NYC privates and the kids getting into H,Y, P, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke seem to be very wealthy or legacies. Chicago attracts the above average kid who applies ED because they want to go to a good a school but don't have the tippy top stats. Northwestern, JHU, Rice get the unconnected but good stats and bright kids. Penn takes both rich legacies and one really top student. Stanford does take top non-legacy kids who also excel in an activity (writing, classics) from our school. Barely anyone gets into MIT.

We had quite a few unhooked (neither legacy/athlete/donor) into Ivies at our DC private this year. Much more than years past.

We noticed the same thing. I think there are new admissions algorithms being used in response to making admissions race blind.

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Anonymous wrote:Rice gets a lot of wealthy kids, they're just from Texas

This. Rice for whatever reason remains somewhat Texas-centric. I think it's still more than a third Texan, which is a lot. The reputation of Rice in Dallas and the Upper East Side couldn't be more different. It's also a very small school, so they don't have the alumni numbers. Nor is it a school that sends a lot of people to Wall Street. That's not their vibe. So for most people in the northeast, Rice doesn't really resonate. I think that's changing, but it's still a small school in Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:Academically Yale is the weakest of HYPSM and I could see it being grouped more with Penn, Duke, Columbia

Maybe Yale is the same academically as Penn and Duke. But Yale is more popular for sure. Yale has the demand as Princeton (which is below HSM).

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

I agree that people pick HMS over YP. But YP are still amazing. Where do you draw the line on "worth it" vs UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

But Stanford consistently entered the top 5 only recently, at least in USNWR.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

Weird take, considering that USNWR (which is the ranking used for this thread) has ranked Princeton #1 for like 25 years straight or so.

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Anonymous wrote:Rice gets a lot of wealthy kids, they're just from Texas

This. Rice for whatever reason remains somewhat Texas-centric. I think it's still more than a third Texan, which is a lot. The reputation of Rice in Dallas and the Upper East Side couldn't be more different. It's also a very small school, so they don't have the alumni numbers. Nor is it a school that sends a lot of people to Wall Street. That's not their vibe. So for most people in the northeast, Rice doesn't really resonate. I think that's changing, but it's still a small school in Texas.

In Dallas, it’s UT & SMU >>>>> Rice.
The appreciation for rice is a Houston and National thing more than a Texas thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

I agree that people pick HMS over YP. But YP are still amazing. Where do you draw the line on "worth it" vs UVA?

Ivy+
And depending on the area of study, add Oxbridge

Yale and Princeton are awesome, anyone would be lucky to get admitted there, but for a very very long time, the ivies looked down on engineers , but most of them developed their engineering departments 10-20 years ago, Yale and Princeton seemed to have trouble making the transition and they also seem to have lost a step in remaining relevant.

I wouldn't look sideways at someone that went to Columbia, UPenn or even Duke over Yale or Princeton.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

Weird take, considering that USNWR (which is the ranking used for this thread) has ranked Princeton #1 for like 25 years straight or so.

That is US News methodology. Doesn't change the fact that most people pick HSM over Princeton.

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Why is Rice being discussed at all? It’s a total nonstarter.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any semi-accepted equivalent to the T14 or M7 for undergrad? I get that this discussion is top 10 due to the leak but I see random topX discussions once rankings come out.

There is only agreement on T5: HYPSM

And even that is starting to really become HMS.

If I got into every Ivy+ except HMS, I could see picking a school other than Princeton or Yale. I could see picking a school outside of Ivy+ for that matter.
If you included HMS, I don't see a lot of scenarios where I would pick a school outside of HMS.

The way i have it divided up in my mind are schools I would happily pay for, schools I would pay for because my wife made me, schools that I don't think provide a meaningful advantage over UVA and then all other schools.

Weird take, considering that USNWR (which is the ranking used for this thread) has ranked Princeton #1 for like 25 years straight or so.

That is US News methodology. Doesn't change the fact that most people pick HSM over Princeton.

Same poster. Just to add...I really like Princeton and can see why US News and some others view it as #1. Can make that case. I just don't think most people would pick it over HSM.

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Anonymous wrote:Rice gets a lot of wealthy kids, they're just from Texas

This. Rice for whatever reason remains somewhat Texas-centric. I think it's still more than a third Texan, which is a lot. The reputation of Rice in Dallas and the Upper East Side couldn't be more different. It's also a very small school, so they don't have the alumni numbers. Nor is it a school that sends a lot of people to Wall Street. That's not their vibe. So for most people in the northeast, Rice doesn't really resonate. I think that's changing, but it's still a small school in Texas.

86% of all college kids don’t go more than 500 miles away. So, draw a circle around Rice that extends 500 miles (understanding they probably don’t get many kids from Mexico) and that’s your most likely student body.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Rice being discussed at all? It’s a total nonstarter.

What's wrong with Rice?