Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.
What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.
Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve
School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.
That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.
My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.
Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society
A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.
Luckily you don't get to make that call.
Go open your own school where you can make those rules.
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.
What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.
Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve
School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.
That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.
My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.
Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society
A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.
Luckily you don't get to make that call.
Go open your own school where you can make those rules.
Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.
Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.
Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.
In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.
All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.
To be fair, the parent of the neurodivergent child is telling others that their child deserves to have a chair thrown in his face again and again until his parents can't handle it and divorce. Do you think other kids deserve to be attacked in school as well? They are children too, deserving of an education in a safe environment, they aren't just tools serving as peer models in the classroom.
I agree with you. No one deserves to be in an unsafe environment. Not NT kids, not teachers, not administrators, not the kid with special needs. The issue is with the way the school system handles the bureaucracy and limits the number of seats available in specialized programs. My kid has been in non public and is now in a self contained classroom. In both scenarios, there were between 6-8 kids in his class. Just from this thread alone, I would surmise that there are more than 6-8 kids per grade that need the help. In self contained classes, the class is often the grade. Looking at MCPS, there are 2 locations for HFA students--so lets say they take a total of 16 kids across the county per grade (1-5) or 80 kids in total. There are 3 Bridge MS and HS programs. So again, 24 kids per grade across the county. I'm not familiar with SESES or ESESES so I can't comment on how many kids are in those programs.
For many of these dysregulated kids, the root of the issue is anxiety. A smaller number of bodies in the room creates less chaos, less noise, enables more adult supervision. When a kid with anxiety gets overwhelmed, there is the fight or flight response. Both responses require a large amount of adult intervention. Smaller classes would benefit all kids. But smaller classes cost money.
Why isn't virtual schooling an option then? Reduces anxiety, small class, fewer adults needed, costs less. Seems like a pretty good solution.
If virtual schooling is such a great option, then why did so many parents argue that it wasn't good during the pandemic? What do the kids that don't have stable internet do? How does a teacher keep a child engaged over a screen? How does a parent that has to work leave a child home alone? Yes---I hear you---school is not daycare, parents cannot transfer parenting responsibilities to the schools. But realistically---parents have to work and the child will be left home alone. There will be no one there to make sure that a child is receiving an education. An uneducated child becomes an uneducated adult. It kicks the can down the road. This person will require more social services in the long run.
Because it isn't a good option for all kids, obviously. We're talking about a subset of kids. The kids with extreme anxiety or dysregulation like the PP was mentioning. Other kids do well in full classrooms and don't require lot of adult intervention. But I see that it's more about convenience for the parent vs what is best for the child.
It's not always so black and white. Sure, if the child with SN is an only child in a 2 parent household with a SAHP, then virtual schooling could work. But if the choice is send your kid to school so you can work and house and feed your family, then that's what you're going to do. You're showing the bias in this thread---you take your kids needs into account first--as you should. To you, your child is more important than someone elses child with special needs. As far as your concerned, this is that parents issue and they need to deal with it.
From a parent with multiple children they need to look out for their overall family. If they stop going to work where will they live? How will they eat? Their priority is their family, not yours.
You are doing the same. Your child is more important than the other 20. But the dysregulated prone to outbursts child isn't being served well in public schools. No matter how tolerant or accepting the other children and staff may be. If that was the best place for these kids then your argument would make sense and these kids wouldn't act out so much. It's not working.
I agree with you. I pointed out earlier that specialized classes are restricted in numbers. When FAPE was introduced at the federal level, there was no funding provided for the States to implement it. School systems are doing the best they can with the resources they have while following the laws. It is not working for anyone.
It needs to be fixed so ALL children can receive a free and appropriate education.
But free and appropriate can't always mean a mainstream classroom. Virtual schooling needs to be one of the options until the maturity catches up. Parents may have to make hard choices and put career on the back burner. The government should pay them a stipend to oversee the kids education in the meantime.
Virtual schooling is an option IF the team deems, through the IEP process, that virtual education the appropriate means to meet the child’s needs.
Now you're balking. That means the parents have to agree also. Some parents don't want to deal with this. Work becomes an escape from reality and they'd rather the school do the heavy lifting even if the setting isn't appropriate.
You have a child who can do well either virtual school or homeschooling but choose to send them to public school because it is their right.
Those parents pay taxes like you.
And they actually need that break. You don't. If someone should keep their kids at home, it's you.
A school is not a medical facility. It's not an educator's job to be a therapist or provide a break for parents, nor should a school district shoulder all the financial burden of a child's mental health.
The school is a place to learn. The child throwing chairs and many other children are learning. If yours isn't, move yours to virtual.
A school is a place for children to learn to become productive members of society. That is why they were created. If you can’t see that move yours to private. My own kids do just fine. I do, however, want to find a solution that works, not fund one that doesn’t
No, you want to find a solution that works for your children only. That is what a virtual learning option for the other children is.
The solution that works is getting one on one aides for these children in class or a similar setting, not moving them home.
Schools provide lunch, some counseling, some physical activity etc because it is obvious that you don't teach a child in a vacuum. There are several other factors that are equally important. So don't talk about school districts not shouldering burdens. If the burden is fundamental to the learning process the district should shoulder it or seek resources, not send the children home. We are a society. We take care of children, not abandon those with challenging issues to their parents.
If you insist that virtual is not abandoning them to their parents, you and all parents who agree with you can go first. Move your kids to virtual. Problem solved for you.
But, a previous poster pointed out all the ways the school itself is the trigger. It's too big, too chaotic, too many people, too unpredictable. A traditional school is not the right place for every child. You can't fit square pegs into round holes. You just don't want to consider a virtual option.
It looks like it's too chaotic and unpredictable for the " normal" children....virtual would be good for them.
Anonymous wrote:I can only speak to FCPS but honestly most districts are the same in this respect. The kid’s parents are probably aware that they have the “chair thrower.” And their school has probably told them the two options are, 1) the kid goes to regular 1st grade, or 2) the kid goes to a self contained classroom for kids with multiple disabilities, which might not be academically appropriate for a kid who is on grade level. Are there other placements? Of course, but the schools are generally not forthcoming about them because they cost $$$. It’s more expensive to send a kid to a public school placement for kids with behavioral challenges, and it’s more expensive even than that to get them a private placement. So what they do is they force the kid to fail in a mainstream classroom. Not necessarily fail academically, although the school performance will start to suffer eventually, but fail socially and in terms of behavior. Toward the end of the school year, at the earliest, and IF the parents push for it, an IEP will be discussed and it may or may not recommend an alternative placement. Or it may have goals for “emotional regulation” that a mainstream teacher is going to be in way over her head about. A lot of parents are unaware of the alternative placements, and the ones who are aware likely don’t have the time, energy, knowledge, money to hire an advocate, etc. to fight the schools on getting a placement. So the chair thrower continues to throw and disrupt and the school twiddles their thumbs about it. So it goes.
Thank you. As a parent reading through this thread, I feel seen.
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.
What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.
Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve
School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.
That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.
My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.
Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society
A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.
Luckily you don't get to make that call.
Go open your own school where you can make those rules.
Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.
So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.
Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.
Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.
In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.
All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.
To be fair, the parent of the neurodivergent child is telling others that their child deserves to have a chair thrown in his face again and again until his parents can't handle it and divorce. Do you think other kids deserve to be attacked in school as well? They are children too, deserving of an education in a safe environment, they aren't just tools serving as peer models in the classroom.
I agree with you. No one deserves to be in an unsafe environment. Not NT kids, not teachers, not administrators, not the kid with special needs. The issue is with the way the school system handles the bureaucracy and limits the number of seats available in specialized programs. My kid has been in non public and is now in a self contained classroom. In both scenarios, there were between 6-8 kids in his class. Just from this thread alone, I would surmise that there are more than 6-8 kids per grade that need the help. In self contained classes, the class is often the grade. Looking at MCPS, there are 2 locations for HFA students--so lets say they take a total of 16 kids across the county per grade (1-5) or 80 kids in total. There are 3 Bridge MS and HS programs. So again, 24 kids per grade across the county. I'm not familiar with SESES or ESESES so I can't comment on how many kids are in those programs.
For many of these dysregulated kids, the root of the issue is anxiety. A smaller number of bodies in the room creates less chaos, less noise, enables more adult supervision. When a kid with anxiety gets overwhelmed, there is the fight or flight response. Both responses require a large amount of adult intervention. Smaller classes would benefit all kids. But smaller classes cost money.
Why isn't virtual schooling an option then? Reduces anxiety, small class, fewer adults needed, costs less. Seems like a pretty good solution.
If virtual schooling is such a great option, then why did so many parents argue that it wasn't good during the pandemic? What do the kids that don't have stable internet do? How does a teacher keep a child engaged over a screen? How does a parent that has to work leave a child home alone? Yes---I hear you---school is not daycare, parents cannot transfer parenting responsibilities to the schools. But realistically---parents have to work and the child will be left home alone. There will be no one there to make sure that a child is receiving an education. An uneducated child becomes an uneducated adult. It kicks the can down the road. This person will require more social services in the long run.
Because it isn't a good option for all kids, obviously. We're talking about a subset of kids. The kids with extreme anxiety or dysregulation like the PP was mentioning. Other kids do well in full classrooms and don't require lot of adult intervention. But I see that it's more about convenience for the parent vs what is best for the child.
It's not always so black and white. Sure, if the child with SN is an only child in a 2 parent household with a SAHP, then virtual schooling could work. But if the choice is send your kid to school so you can work and house and feed your family, then that's what you're going to do. You're showing the bias in this thread---you take your kids needs into account first--as you should. To you, your child is more important than someone elses child with special needs. As far as your concerned, this is that parents issue and they need to deal with it.
From a parent with multiple children they need to look out for their overall family. If they stop going to work where will they live? How will they eat? Their priority is their family, not yours.
You are doing the same. Your child is more important than the other 20. But the dysregulated prone to outbursts child isn't being served well in public schools. No matter how tolerant or accepting the other children and staff may be. If that was the best place for these kids then your argument would make sense and these kids wouldn't act out so much. It's not working.
I agree with you. I pointed out earlier that specialized classes are restricted in numbers. When FAPE was introduced at the federal level, there was no funding provided for the States to implement it. School systems are doing the best they can with the resources they have while following the laws. It is not working for anyone.
It needs to be fixed so ALL children can receive a free and appropriate education.
But free and appropriate can't always mean a mainstream classroom. Virtual schooling needs to be one of the options until the maturity catches up. Parents may have to make hard choices and put career on the back burner. The government should pay them a stipend to oversee the kids education in the meantime.
Virtual schooling is an option IF the team deems, through the IEP process, that virtual education the appropriate means to meet the child’s needs.
Now you're balking. That means the parents have to agree also. Some parents don't want to deal with this. Work becomes an escape from reality and they'd rather the school do the heavy lifting even if the setting isn't appropriate.
You have a child who can do well either virtual school or homeschooling but choose to send them to public school because it is their right.
Those parents pay taxes like you.
And they actually need that break. You don't. If someone should keep their kids at home, it's you.
A school is not a medical facility. It's not an educator's job to be a therapist or provide a break for parents, nor should a school district shoulder all the financial burden of a child's mental health.
The school is a place to learn. The child throwing chairs and many other children are learning. If yours isn't, move yours to virtual.
It's extremely telling that not one parent of a chair thrower wants to do virtual. Plenty of other kids do virtual, homeschool, and do well. It's perfectly clear parents don't want to be responsible for their own kids. They can't handle their own kids yet expect schools to work magic while they hide at work avoiding the problem.
You’re right. Because virtual is not an answer for all children who have behavior issues. Virtual gets your child a calm classroom. But it does not provide the same education your child receives in person. It does not provide the peer learning, the socialization, access to school wide assemblies. As long as you are only focused on the needs of your child why shouldn’t the parents of children with SN only be focused on the needs of their children?
Her child’s behavior does not impact the safety and learning of 25 other kids. In fact her child’s behavior is so positive that you want your kid exposed to it daily. It is you who is imposing a significant burden on many students, teachers, administrators and taxpayers. You are not entitled to a solution that meets all your needs and wants at the expense of everyone else.
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this
They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors
Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.
Blame the administration for making this insane system.
And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.
Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.
As a parent, I fully support other parents complaining for this exact reason!!
It's extremely hard to get a kid into these classes. Why is that?
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this
They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors
Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.
Blame the administration for making this insane system.
And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.
Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.
These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.
I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.
Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.
But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.
In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.
Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.
What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.
Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve
School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.
That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.
My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.
Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society
A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.
Luckily you don't get to make that call.
Go open your own school where you can make those rules.
Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.
So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.
Yeah and their kids too, right? They need to take that chair in the face like adults.
SN parent here—I get that our kids are not easy. I have nothing nice to say so I’ll show myself out. I truly hope none of you experience the pain and trauma of having a child with SN that manifests through behavioral issues.
Anonymous wrote:Where are the school resource officers in all this? Classrooms may need another adult to help the teacher when there are problem behaviors that endanger others. Sort of like marshals on airline flights to keep everyone safe.
1. Increase SROs (I would be happy with this. As a parent.)
2. There are more emotionally disturbed kids????
I have a brilliant idea.
Open up more specialized classes for them!!
Do you know how hard it is to get a kid into any of these appropriate classes?
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.
What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.
Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve
School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.
That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.
My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.
Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society
A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.
Luckily you don't get to make that call.
Go open your own school where you can make those rules.
Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.
So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.
Nobody is whining.
Every kid should be safe in school.
Kids who are dysregulated either need to have a 1:1 aide, or to be assigned to specialized classrooms.
Haven't you ever wondered why there are so few of these classrooms?
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this
They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors
Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.
Blame the administration for making this insane system.
And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.
Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.
These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.
I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.
Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.
But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.
In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.
Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.
Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of a school absolutely is childcare. 200 years ago, it was to teach children to read, write and do arithmetic. Then child labor laws changed. Society found themselves with many children with a lot of free time constantly getting in trouble.
What happens to the chair thrower if the child is not in school? Do you have any idea how alternatives cost? 10 years of virtual schooling and then what… prison? A mental health faculty? So much more expensive than teaching the child properly the first time.
Give the child an aid and save us all. Increase school budgets, decrease prison budgets, pay teachers what they deserve
School is to learn and teachers are there to teach. They are not babysitters for lazy parents! Your child dies not have the right to disrupt class so that other children, who know how to behave, can learn.
That is not true historically. How many kids need to memorize the Declaration of Independence? Calculus? School was created to keep kids productive.
My children do not need special accommodations. They are well-behaved and do very well academically.
Your attitude prevents the rest of us from getting to a solution: pull money from prisons, government bloat, and other sources, and get these children aides so that they can also become productive members of society
A violent kid is not a school’s problem. They have no business at in-person school.
Luckily you don't get to make that call.
Go open your own school where you can make those rules.
Actually parents do have pull. If enough of them complain and the violence is documented, the child will eventually be removed.
So they are coming to complain here instead of where they are supposed to be complaining...Bunch of whiners.
Yeah and their kids too, right? They need to take that chair in the face like adults.
No, the kids are innocent. It's not their fault that their parents are jerks.
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