Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:But it is sort of precious that the people who believe everyone has little “gender souls” independent of their biology are the ones accusing the OTHER people (who stick to what is scientifically true of all other mammals) of being “religious”

Lol

People have a personalities, independent of their biology.

Personality is just another word for behavior

There isn’t some list of 107 personalities that people are now demanding to be referred to by

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Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

You know what I find funny? The same people saying that trans women don’t want gender also in other threads say that trans women deductively reinforce harmful stereotypes.

That’s a little too in the weeds for me - what does “don’t want gender” mean?

You tell me, what do trans women want in your mind?

Most of all trans women want the world to agree they are women. Unfortunately for them, most of the world does not see them as women.

Why did you add the part about “the rest of the world” to what you think trans women want?

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Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

Agree but as far as I can tell the Mormons are not screeching about coffee drinkers, not allowing coffee drinkers in public places in case a child might see them, shaming coffee drinkers and trying to erase their existence.

There are Starbucks in Provo and it is always packed!

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Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

Agree but as far as I can tell the Mormons are not screeching about coffee drinkers, not allowing coffee drinkers in public places in case a child might see them, shaming coffee drinkers and trying to erase their existence.

There are Starbucks in Provo and it is always packed!

For the tourists and apostates

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Anonymous wrote:But it is sort of precious that the people who believe everyone has little “gender souls” independent of their biology are the ones accusing the OTHER people (who stick to what is scientifically true of all other mammals) of being “religious”

Lol

People have a personalities, independent of their biology.

Personality is just another word for behavior

There isn’t some list of 107 personalities that people are now demanding to be referred to by

What are these? Do you have a link to the list and what these are?

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I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

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We feel the same way here - FCPS - especially the bolded.

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Anonymous wrote:I lean conservative but I'm not a Republican. I have no issues with gay rights. I admit, like most Americans I didn't use to support marriage equality, but I was wrong and I'm now totally supportive of it.

Transsexuality, IMHO, creates a totally different set of issues. Trans people deserve respect, dignity, and protection under the law. I think the whole bathroom controversy is pretty malarkey because trans people just want to pee, they don't want to touch your private parts. However, I am VERY against parents allowing their kids to have trans surgery, the same way that I am completely against parents putting their kids into gay conversion therapy. I also think there is merit to the concerns in sports which have been discussed ad nauseam.

Like all mammals, we as humans have breeds with distinctions; if trans women are women like I believe, then why is it so wrong to think of them as their own distinct breed of women? Please don't flame me because of course trans people are not animals, I just think that mammal science can give us some pointers on this.

Why do you think you should have any say in the personal medical decisions of parents and their kids? And, of course, gay conversion therapy is absolutely known to be cruel and harmful. Transition is not. You just disagree with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

I’m a socially conservative immigrant who votes democrat. The following are too much for me:

- talking about gender identity and sexuality in elementary school. Have no problem with talking about how some kids have two mommies or two daddies. But when students are taught about sex in 4th grade I’d rather it be introduced as a means of reproduction. I feel sex as pleasure should not be discussed until middle school.
- parents not knowing if their kids are identifying as another gender. This is a medical issue. Parents have the right to know whether their child has socially transitioned.
-pretending that biological sex is a social construct. Women are adult human females. Females are the sex with the large gametes - the ones, where if everything is functioning properly, have the capacity to get pregnant. Males do not. It’s as simple as that.

Everything else I’m ok with, including gay marriage.

Oh one more thing I forgot to add - drag queen story hour in schools and public libraries. Pretty disgusting. Let’s stop that.

Why should we stop drag queen story hour? If someone wants to take their kids to it, that's up to them. Why should you get to decide what others do? Just because you're "socially conservative" you think that your opinion of disgust about drag queens is something everyone should have forced onto them? No one is forcing you to take your kids to drag queen story hour and you have no right to force others to not do s

Why stop there? Give kids open access to porn as a parent and rated R movies to 8 year olds where they’re blowing off the heads of bad guys in action movies. Who needs to filter content for their kids at all?

Again, other people's parenting of their children is none of your business. If someone wants to take their kid to drag queen story hour, they can do so and it's literally none of your business and you have no say over what they should be allowed to do.

So should we stop rating movies? Remove age restrictions when it comes to gambling, strip clubs and access to pornography? Are you against all restrictions on minors?

Telling kids about gay people is no different than telling people about their straight families.

One is normal, the other is not.

At least you admit you're a bigot. Do you admit that openly and when not behind the veil of anonymity?

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I think it's hilarious that the right wing has this wild notion that our schools are "indoctrinating" children and turning them into marxists and convincing them to swap genders and everything else.

Folks, the schools are having a hard enough time getting your kids to properly use "their / there / they're" let alone indulge your wild and paranoid indoctrination fantasies.

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Anonymous wrote:To add, I don’t want anything “rolled back.” LGBT people are just people, like everyone else. They should (and do) have all the rights everyone else has. Can we please just move on without having to constantly discuss/celebrate/emote/signal?

No we cannot. Because those rights are at issue. And a big part of the right dehumanizes or is offended by LGBTQ and their existence. Those people are my family, my friends, my neighbors, people I care about. So no, I'm not ok with dismissing or "moving on" just b/c that is easier for you.

How are their rights being taken away when they are partying at the White House and freely holding pride parades all over the country? No other group gets as much positive publicity from public and private institutions. I can't wait for straight pride month celebrations...but we don't have that do we?

First of all, we have a SCOTUS who has signaled a willingness to roll back rights at the fed level. As have some states. But you already know that.

And straight pride? God you are a big baby aren't you? EVERY MONTH is straight month. And you can't handle a single month of inclusion and acceptance? You poor thing. I suggest you deal with it.

Inclusion also mean inclusion of all groups. Otherwise it is not the inclusion. It is the exclusion.

Very easy to make white people celebration month. Straight people celebration month. Then they can no longer protest the hypocrite.

Every month is straight people month. And there is no need to celebrate inclusion when they are already the default. The included. They are not being scorned, assaulted, harassed for being straight.

You know this though. So this argument is a complete bullsh--, snowflake deflection. And honestly, you look like a whiney little b$%# making it.

Lastly, I do not have to tolerant or inclusive of bigots, or bigoted opinions, or candidates that want to deprive my friends, family, etc. of their rights, which is the issue here. Not pride. Not some crocodile tears over not straight history month. So peddle your nonsense somewhere else.

Please take your harmful speech to Twitter or Reddit. We like to keep our discussions civilized.

Anyone intolerant of LGBTQ is not civilized. And I will keep my speech, which is not harmful, anywhere I please.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's hilarious that the right wing has this wild notion that our schools are "indoctrinating" children and turning them into marxists and convincing them to swap genders and everything else.

Folks, the schools are having a hard enough time getting your kids to properly use "their / there / they're" let alone indulge your wild and paranoid indoctrination fantasies.

It's also pretty wild that the same people who think teachers are indoctrinating kids into marxism, gender swapping and everything else, think that teachers should be carrying loaded guns with them in the classroom to gun down mass shooters.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's hilarious that the right wing has this wild notion that our schools are "indoctrinating" children and turning them into marxists and convincing them to swap genders and everything else.

Folks, the schools are having a hard enough time getting your kids to properly use "their / there / they're" let alone indulge your wild and paranoid indoctrination fantasies.

When I visit local hs, symbols say otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:There is way way more vulgarity from heterosexuals than homosexuals! Have you ever been to Virginia Beach or Florida during spring break? How about Hooters anywhere in the mid west. Most cable shows have tons of heterosexual nudity and sex scenes. The lesbian porn stuff on the Internet is geared toward heterosexual men not gay women! The performers are trafficked women and actresses.

I think what conservatives really want is for LGTBQ people to go back to being hidden. They don’t want their existence normalized and god forbid celebrated. From their perspective, what’s the problem? If you just don’t confront me with your lifestyle then I’m happy.

What they fail to realize is that this means going back to a life of shame, fear, being ostracized, not belonging, constructing elaborate false stories of an alternate life and misery just because someone else is a bigot. Yes, it is bigotry in all its ugliness and moral failing.

Thankfully Gen Z is not accepting the bigotry. You can wail and pass whatever unconstitutional laws your religious right can cheat through and you can try to hide your children away in bubbles of bigots but you won’t win. You will die off and Gen Z will write about what is used to be like when the bigots took their last gasp.

Oh, good grief. Hyperbolic much? Many posters have said - repeatedly - that they are supporters of LGBT people but simply are sick to death of the constant talking about it, parades, months of observance (June AND October), etc. Don't you get that? Once again, LGBT people are just people, like everyone else. Why the desperate need for attention? And what "unconstitutional laws" are you even talking about? Last I checked, we all have the same rights here in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

Exactly. No one is "rolling back" LGBT rights. This thread is just more of the same attention-craving silliness.

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Anonymous wrote:One more time, why should a 30 year old be banned from transgender medical treatment, regardless of whether you empathize with them or not?

Because it’s cosmetic. Why should men get insurance or Medicare to cover a breast augmentation, but a woman would have to pay out of pocket?