Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

Checked the numbers out of curiosity. People born with more than 10 fingers is .2% of the population. That’s almost exactly the percent of the population that’s trans women lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

You understand that gender expression exists on a spectrum, I hope. We don’t all express our femininity by acting and dressing the same. I’ve known plenty of androgynous people over the last few decades. I knew a woman who always wore men’s clothes. She admitted one day that she felt like a drag queen when she wore a dress. Men’s clothes made her feel comfortable and more like herself. People like this are described in the Jewish holy texts, so it’s not like it’s a new concept. It just has a new label.

Gender expression exists on a spectrum but a woman in pants with short hair is a woman as much as a woman in a dress and high heels. Her clothes and habits do not negate her womanhood. She does not have to think she's a man just because she does not behave as a stereotypical woman!! A boy who likes music and quiet time is still a boy.

+100

[Anonymous]

The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

[Anonymous]

But it is sort of precious that the people who believe everyone has little “gender souls” independent of their biology are the ones accusing the OTHER people (who stick to what is scientifically true of all other mammals) of being “religious”

Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

You know what I find funny? The same people saying that trans women don’t want gender also in other threads say that trans women deductively reinforce harmful stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

You know what I find funny? The same people saying that trans women don’t want gender also in other threads say that trans women deductively reinforce harmful stereotypes.

That’s a little too in the weeds for me - what does “don’t want gender” mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But it is sort of precious that the people who believe everyone has little “gender souls” independent of their biology are the ones accusing the OTHER people (who stick to what is scientifically true of all other mammals) of being “religious”

Lol

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

You know what I find funny? The same people saying that trans women don’t want gender also in other threads say that trans women deductively reinforce harmful stereotypes.

That’s a little too in the weeds for me - what does “don’t want gender” mean?

You tell me, what do trans women want in your mind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

You know what I find funny? The same people saying that trans women don’t want gender also in other threads say that trans women deductively reinforce harmful stereotypes.

That’s a little too in the weeds for me - what does “don’t want gender” mean?

You tell me, what do trans women want in your mind?

I’m also confused by this question

It’s not something that concerns me

Just trying to iron out the ambiguous English from your first post

[Anonymous]

Why do people get upset about trans women, but give trans men a pass?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But it is sort of precious that the people who believe everyone has little “gender souls” independent of their biology are the ones accusing the OTHER people (who stick to what is scientifically true of all other mammals) of being “religious”

Lol

People have a personalities, independent of their biology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

Agree but as far as I can tell the Mormons are not screeching about coffee drinkers, not allowing coffee drinkers in public places in case a child might see them, shaming coffee drinkers and trying to erase their existence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

You know what I find funny? The same people saying that trans women don’t want gender also in other threads say that trans women deductively reinforce harmful stereotypes.

That’s a little too in the weeds for me - what does “don’t want gender” mean?

You tell me, what do trans women want in your mind?

Most of all trans women want the world to agree they are women. Unfortunately for them, most of the world does not see them as women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of this issue is that some people in our society believe in a thing called “gender” and other people instead believe in a simple range of behavior (masculine or feminine or in between) expressed by people who are physically either male or female - or, 1 in 5000, maybe a bit of both

Let’s stop trying to convince each other, it’s tiring

I drink coffee but Mormons don’t - life goes on

Agree but as far as I can tell the Mormons are not screeching about coffee drinkers, not allowing coffee drinkers in public places in case a child might see them, shaming coffee drinkers and trying to erase their existence.

Nor are the coffee drinkers trying to convince Mormon kids to drink coffee

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

You understand that gender expression exists on a spectrum, I hope. We don’t all express our femininity by acting and dressing the same. I’ve known plenty of androgynous people over the last few decades. I knew a woman who always wore men’s clothes. She admitted one day that she felt like a drag queen when she wore a dress. Men’s clothes made her feel comfortable and more like herself. People like this are described in the Jewish holy texts, so it’s not like it’s a new concept. It just has a new label.

Gender expression exists on a spectrum but a woman in pants with short hair is a woman as much as a woman in a dress and high heels. Her clothes and habits do not negate her womanhood. She does not have to think she's a man just because she does not behave as a stereotypical woman!! A boy who likes music and quiet time is still a boy.

I think a lot of those androgynous people I knew in the 80s and 90s would identify as trans or non binary if they were born in the last 20 years. Other than terminology, and access to better surgical technology, the people are the same. People are just people. This is like arguing to call someone Stephen, when they want to be called Steve.

I don’t think it’s that simple. All those people from the 80s and 90s never doubted their gender. It’s like we’ve really regressed in recent years and now we have a very reductive view of gender. If you’re not a stereotypical boy or girl it means something is wrong and it needs to be fixed

The 80s and 90s were a much healthier time in retrospect. Much more accommodating of natural variances