Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

but not wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You need to calm down.

thank you

You’re welcome.

Like, can you just not step on our gowns, OP? We see you over there on the internet, comparing all the girls who are killing it

Lol "gowns" please -- the floral Reformation dress you wore for the last Swift concert is not a gown and you aren't killing it, you are being taken for a ride by a woman who wants ALL your disposable income for herself.

#girlsquad #girlpower #swiftiesunite

I’m dead. Is anyone else enjoying this as much as I am?

I'm dying over here. Going right over their heads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Untrue, I adore Lizzo and can’t stand Taylor Swift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people hating TS are the same ones complaining about Lizzo’s flute and concert attire.

Yes, and the unhinged Meghan Markle haters. They are all the same.

yes and decent overlap with trumpeteers

Another Democrat litmus test.

Wait what? If being a democrat means you like Taylor Swift I guess I’m an independent who never voted Republican.

Also I bet you swift rarely votes and only recently started voting Dem. Guaranty her parents are conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

This obsession with calling Swift a “singer-songwriter” while dismissing the many, many other women who wrote their own music is weird. Madonna actually did reinvent and experiment with her sound a lot, getting inspired often by her core fan base (especially the gay men who celebrated her music as highly danceable while projecting images that were both strong and sensuous at the same time, with a side of cheek). Cherish, Vogue, and Ray of Light are incredibly different in terms of influences and tone, yet all bear and unmistakable Madonna stamp. She was so adaptable and creative. It was more than her image.

Taylor Swift is absolutely fixated on her image, please. This is potentially the dumbest thing anyone has said on this thread, with stiff competition. Please tell me you are not this naive.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

This obsession with calling Swift a “singer-songwriter” while dismissing the many, many other women who wrote their own music is weird. Madonna actually did reinvent and experiment with her sound a lot, getting inspired often by her core fan base (especially the gay men who celebrated her music as highly danceable while projecting images that were both strong and sensuous at the same time, with a side of cheek). Cherish, Vogue, and Ray of Light are incredibly different in terms of influences and tone, yet all bear and unmistakable Madonna stamp. She was so adaptable and creative. It was more than her image.

Taylor Swift is absolutely fixated on her image, please. This is potentially the dumbest thing anyone has said on this thread, with stiff competition. Please tell me you are not this naive.

You need to relax and maybe take some time to think about why you hate Taylor Swift so much. It’s bizarre. I’m not criticizing Madonna. Taylor’s success doesn’t diminish Madonna’s or vice versa. They are different artists and my opinion is just as valid as yours.

[Anonymous]

I can stand Taylor swift and her self righteous “oh shucks” persona. And all her music sounds exactly the same. She’s only marginally talented. (And yes, I’m a democrat.

[Anonymous]

She needs to have a baby and get married. Her material is Zzzzzzzz.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

NP. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about , and in typical American fashion ,doubles down on the ignorance . Anyone who is familiar with madonna's music knows that her albums hardly ever sound the same . 'Hard candy' doesnt sound at all like 'Ray of light' . 'Like a virgin'doesnt sound at all like 'confessions on the dance floor' . I'm getting second hand embarrassment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

NP. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about , and in typical American fashion ,doubles down on the ignorance . Anyone who is familiar with madonna's music knows that her albums hardly ever sound the same . 'Hard candy' doesnt sound at all like 'Ray of light' . 'Like a virgin'doesnt sound at all like 'confessions on the dance floor' . I'm getting second hand embarrassment.

They’re all categorized as pop music. Same genre.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

NP. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about , and in typical American fashion ,doubles down on the ignorance . Anyone who is familiar with madonna's music knows that her albums hardly ever sound the same . 'Hard candy' doesnt sound at all like 'Ray of light' . 'Like a virgin'doesnt sound at all like 'confessions on the dance floor' . I'm getting second hand embarrassment.

They’re all categorized as pop music. Same genre.

Pop music is meaningless as a label. It encompasses anything that’s popular.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

NP. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about , and in typical American fashion ,doubles down on the ignorance . Anyone who is familiar with madonna's music knows that her albums hardly ever sound the same . 'Hard candy' doesnt sound at all like 'Ray of light' . 'Like a virgin'doesnt sound at all like 'confessions on the dance floor' . I'm getting second hand embarrassment.

They’re all categorized as pop music. Same genre.

Pop music is meaningless as a label. It encompasses anything that’s popular.

True many shades to pop music. But the differences within pop are smaller than the differences between pop and other genres. It’s strange PP can see the former but not the latter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the crap other people have written but I admire her. She's made it this far without being a total train wreck like Madonna/Britney/etc.

Please do tell. How's Madonna a train wreck? As an aside , madonna's music is way way way better than swift's music and she has the records sales to prove it .

I don’t know that Madonna is a train wreck but how anyone could enjoy her music—with the single exception of Ray of Light—has always been beyond me. If you are one of the folks hating on Taylor Swift and you are citing Madonna as an example of better music, I hope you are doing your family and friends a favor and only listening to music while you are alone.

Justify My Love
Cherish
Vogue
Into the Groove
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Open Your Heart
Me Against the Music
Love Don't Live Here Anymore
Express Yourself
Crazy For You
Holiday
Take a Bow
Borderline

... I could go on but if you don't like any of this, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of Taylor's highest charting songs owe a lot of their DNA to stuff Madonna did in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. And she did it producing her own music, writing many of her songs, and with enormous creative control over her image, costumes, tours, videos, etc. Before Madonna (and even often after) female performers rarely had much control over their careers and were often exploited by record companies and managers. And she did all this on her own as a young performer in her early 20s in New York with no money or backing. Madonna is an OG and if you think that Taylor Swift of all people doesn't understand that she owes a lot of her career to trails blazed by Madonna and her contemporaries, you are crazy.

She did not write most of her biggest hits.

She wrote the lyrics for many of her biggest hits. She also wrote music on many in collaboration with others, especially Patrick Leonard. She would contribute while Melodie’s and had enormous input. It would be inaccurate to say she didn’t write or create her music. She collaborated on most of it and wrote more than she gets credit for. Her approach was really not that different than Swift’s. But I have significantly more admiration for Madonna because she was always coming out with something new and original. Swift is pretty one note. It felt like she might be going in a new direction with folklore but it didn’t evolve further.

Madonna was known for reinventing her image, not her sound. Her music is pretty similar which doesn’t mean it’s bad. Swift is less fixated on image so reinventing it isn’t a priority. Again Madonna is a performer and it’s about the show. Swift is a singer-songwriter and it’s about the music. Not saying one is better than the other—both are entertaining—but you’re comparing different eras and styles.

NP. Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about , and in typical American fashion ,doubles down on the ignorance . Anyone who is familiar with madonna's music knows that her albums hardly ever sound the same . 'Hard candy' doesnt sound at all like 'Ray of light' . 'Like a virgin'doesnt sound at all like 'confessions on the dance floor' . I'm getting second hand embarrassment.

They’re all categorized as pop music. Same genre.

Pop music is meaningless as a label. It encompasses anything that’s popular.

True many shades to pop music. But the differences within pop are smaller than the differences between pop and other genres. It’s strange PP can see the former but not the latter.

I’d love it if you could share a definition of what pop music is, sonically.