Girl's School and Gender Pronouns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again, my point has been proven:

One cannot become another race, which would be markedly easier than becoming another gender, just by stating you’re that race or gender.

You’re born male or female and regardless of what you state or how you appear that in no way alters your chromosomes. This argument isn’t based on science.

But one can be a mix of different races at birth, but one can only be male or female. It's an either/or based off of body parts at birth.

[Anonymous]

That's the point.

If it scientific fact that one is either born male or female and if people actually believe you can change sexes then one has to believe you can change race too.

Race being the aspect that's more of a sociological construct vs. sex which is scientifically proven.

[Anonymous]

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-trans-movement-is-not-about-rights-67e

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's the point.

If it scientific fact that one is either born male or female and if people actually believe you can change sexes then one has to believe you can change race too.

Race being the aspect that's more of a sociological construct vs. sex which is scientifically proven.

But the difference is you can in fact be biologically multiracial but you can’t be biologically multi gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the point.

If it scientific fact that one is either born male or female and if people actually believe you can change sexes then one has to believe you can change race too.

Race being the aspect that's more of a sociological construct vs. sex which is scientifically proven.

But the difference is you can in fact be biologically multiracial but you can’t be biologically multi gender.

Not really - scientists say there is no such thing as race on a genetic level. Our concepts of race are all based on skin color and ethnicities.

[Anonymous]

I think the point of the race analogy is that we’re saying the thing that is considered a social construct (race) cannot be changed; but the thing that is less obviously a social construct (sex) can be. Seems… backwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the point of the race analogy is that we’re saying the thing that is considered a social construct (race) cannot be changed; but the thing that is less obviously a social construct (sex) can be. Seems… backwards.

It's the Emperor's new clothes of our times.

I'm not without sympathy for those who strongly suffer from gender dysphoria and that it should be recognized, but it's a mental condition, not a bodily condition. The whole idea that someone can be the opposite of their birth gender is based on nothing but belief and has no scientific / biological basis. If anything, it has way more in common with certain levels of medieval religious thinking and superstition.

Andrew Sullivan's article on the topic someone posted a few posts above is an excellent read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again, my point has been proven:

One cannot become another race, which would be markedly easier than becoming another gender, just by stating you’re that race or gender.

You’re born male or female and regardless of what you state or how you appear that in no way alters your chromosomes. This argument isn’t based on science.

But one can be a mix of different races at birth, but one can only be male or female. It's an either/or based off of body parts at birth.

It's called being intersexed. So much reactionary ignorance on this board. . .

[Anonymous]

No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again, my point has been proven:

One cannot become another race, which would be markedly easier than becoming another gender, just by stating you’re that race or gender.

You’re born male or female and regardless of what you state or how you appear that in no way alters your chromosomes. This argument isn’t based on science.

But one can be a mix of different races at birth, but one can only be male or female. It's an either/or based off of body parts at birth.

It's called being intersexed. So much reactionary ignorance on this board. . .

Intersex is a rare disorder of sexual development. It does not explain the multitudes of teens and tweens without intersex conditions suddenly identifying as transgender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html