Girl's School and Gender Pronouns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

Not pp but. Or an either or situation.

We have Duaghter in girls school and would like the school to remain being called a girls school and focusing on female sensitive education.

However, I have no problem with changing, more nuanced categories for gender identities. However, youth who do not identify as female should probably consider other schools for their own sakes.

Where are nonbinary or trans students assigned female at birth more than likely to find a more accepting environment: a new coed school or an all-girls' school where they've attended since they were younger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

My middle school daughter doesn't go to an all girl's school and I can't speak to the impetus behind the language questions since we don't go to any of those schools. However, I would question if it is the gender nonconforming kids/families driving the changes or the other girls at the school who want to be more inclusive? That's what I'm seeing at my daughter's school: kids supporting each other, not the marginalized kids pushing changes.

Again, I think our kids are light years ahead of parents on this topic (in this area, anyway).

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That is what I am seeing at our girls school as well - it is the parents getting their knickers in a knot, not the girls …

Imagine that, parents who think that their know best, not their CHILDREN. So many parents seem more than willing to let their children dictate values and learning. Parents need to parent. Just because the kids don't think their is an issue with a transgener student being at a single sex school doesn't make it so. Kind of like claiming you are the opposite sex of how you were borne.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's the point.

If it scientific fact that one is either born male or female and if people actually believe you can change sexes then one has to believe you can change race too.

Race being the aspect that's more of a sociological construct vs. sex which is scientifically proven.

But the difference is you can in fact be biologically multiracial but you can’t be biologically multi gender.

What??? Yes you can! Xxy xyx are all multigender. That's the entire train for the word intersex.

[Anonymous]

What does it mean to identify as a girl? I was a tomboy as a kid yet I always identified as a girl because I had a vagina/knew I’d be getting breasts some day. I didn’t identify as a girl because of social expectations.

What does it mean to identify as a girl/not identify as a girl?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

My middle school daughter doesn't go to an all girl's school and I can't speak to the impetus behind the language questions since we don't go to any of those schools. However, I would question if it is the gender nonconforming kids/families driving the changes or the other girls at the school who want to be more inclusive? That's what I'm seeing at my daughter's school: kids supporting each other, not the marginalized kids pushing changes.

Again, I think our kids are light years ahead of parents on this topic (in this area, anyway).

+1

That is what I am seeing at our girls school as well - it is the parents getting their knickers in a knot, not the girls …

Imagine that, parents who think that their know best, not their CHILDREN. So many parents seem more than willing to let their children dictate values and learning. Parents need to parent. Just because the kids don't think their is an issue with a transgener student being at a single sex school doesn't make it so. Kind of like claiming you are the opposite sex of how you were borne.

When it comes to my teen's gender, and sexuality, I don't actually know best because they are their own person and not a carbon copy of me. I can't control whether they are straight or gay, or gender conforming or trans -- and neither can anyone else. It is what it is, as their genetics have determined. As far as "dictating values," my values are to ensure my teen studies, is kind and respectful to others, and contributes to their community and family. None of that is affected by whether they are gay or gender nonconforming.

[Anonymous]

Gay.

Straight.

Trans.

None of these categories has anything to do with the fact you’re born male or female.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the point.

If it scientific fact that one is either born male or female and if people actually believe you can change sexes then one has to believe you can change race too.

Race being the aspect that's more of a sociological construct vs. sex which is scientifically proven.

But the difference is you can in fact be biologically multiracial but you can’t be biologically multi gender.

What??? Yes you can! Xxy xyx are all multigender. That's the entire train for the word intersex.

Intersex is a very rare medical condition which has nothing to do with trans or not addressing girls at a girls’ school as “girls”.

[Anonymous]

Doesn’t matter.

Area privates now operate under the dictates of the NAIS which is controlled by the Glasgow Group. If they do not obey they risk losing their accreditation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t matter.

Area privates now operate under the dictates of the NAIS which is controlled by the Glasgow Group. If they do not obey they risk losing their accreditation.

This it’s pay to play really disgusting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t matter.

Area privates now operate under the dictates of the NAIS which is controlled by the Glasgow Group. If they do not obey they risk losing their accreditation.

This it’s pay to play really disgusting

Not this - Glasgow does not control DEI or accreditation. They provide consultation and workshops for how private schools can become more sensitive to DEI issues. As a parent of a POC, I can assure work is need in this area even when it is done over the loud protestations of white parents.

[Anonymous]

Glasgow controls DEI and de facto accreditation. If you ignore their recommendations there’s a real possibility your accreditation is in jeopardy.

“Loud protestations” of white parents is prohibited lest you be branded a “white supremacist.” They address that directly in order to stifle dissent.

Now people will just walk away.

[Anonymous]

I have a hard time believing lots of these concerned posters actually have a child at a girls school. Whether or not they call the students, ‘girls’ or ‘students’ will not change the heavily ingrained girl-centric dynamic at any of these schools. It’s simply a change in semantics to make a subset of students more comfortable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing lots of these concerned posters actually have a child at a girls school. Whether or not they call the students, ‘girls’ or ‘students’ will not change the heavily ingrained girl-centric dynamic at any of these schools. It’s simply a change in semantics to make a subset of students more comfortable.

I have a hard time believing you really know what it is like to attend an all girls school. I attended one, did you? If you didn't then you are just speculating how the trans movement will affect the all girl dynamic which of course won't be all girls if girls are permitted to attend when they present and as boys. And of course, aren't we being condescending if we say we know you think you are a boy but it's ok we will let you stay at this all girls school because deep down everyone knows you are really a girl?

As for the NAIS, yes it is pay to play lest you loose accreditation, it's a huge conflict of interest, the system should be dismantled and rebuilt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glasgow controls DEI and de facto accreditation. If you ignore their recommendations there’s a real possibility your accreditation is in jeopardy.

“Loud protestations” of white parents is prohibited lest you be branded a “white supremacist.” They address that directly in order to stifle dissent.

Now people will just walk away.

Sadly, not enough people will walk away, if only

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing lots of these concerned posters actually have a child at a girls school. Whether or not they call the students, ‘girls’ or ‘students’ will not change the heavily ingrained girl-centric dynamic at any of these schools. It’s simply a change in semantics to make a subset of students more comfortable.

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