Girl's School and Gender Pronouns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, my point has been proven:

One cannot become another race, which would be markedly easier than becoming another gender, just by stating you’re that race or gender.

You’re born male or female and regardless of what you state or how you appear that in no way alters your chromosomes. This argument isn’t based on science.

But one can be a mix of different races at birth, but one can only be male or female. It's an either/or based off of body parts at birth.

It's called being intersexed. So much reactionary ignorance on this board. . .

Intersex is a rare disorder of sexual development. It does not explain the multitudes of teens and tweens without intersex conditions suddenly identifying as transgender.

+1. And just throwing out a term as PP did is a useless exercise anyhow. We can all create new names and titles. To Op. -time to look for a new school. I’m not paying for this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html

Thank heavens that many medical experts understand that sex and gender identity issues are complex ….
As are people …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not call them students instead of girls. And seriously does your handbook really say “girls”, our handbook always said young ladies.

It’s just weird you are stuck on the word girl.

Because it is a GIRL'S SCHOOL and many people chose it for that reason.

Why is this so hard for people like you to understand?

They choose it because it is a school for students.

Correction. It’s a school for female students.

Gender is fluid. Just stop all labels and identity politics.

It’s not fluid to most people. Seriously the movement will lose support and I fear it is already losing support because trying to infringe your beliefs on others pisses people off. I am liberal and progressive but I don’t want you putting your views on me.

Absolutely! The Lia Thomas thing has done it for this progressive, never voted for a republican former college athlete.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html

Thank heavens that many medical experts understand that sex and gender identity issues are complex ….
As are people …

I will never get testicular cancer. My son(born male) will never get pregnant, etc. The list could go on and on. There are reasons medical records should absolutely include gender/sex at birth!! SO bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html

Thank heavens that many medical experts understand that sex and gender identity issues are complex ….
As are people …

Not really. Most things are pretty cut and dried.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html

Thank heavens that many medical experts understand that sex and gender identity issues are complex ….
As are people …

Not really. Most things are pretty cut and dried.

Only to people whose minds and hearts are not large enough to be able to accommodate different but valid ways of being and thinking …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html

Thank heavens that many medical experts understand that sex and gender identity issues are complex ….
As are people …

Not really. Most things are pretty cut and dried.

Only to people whose minds and hearts are not large enough to be able to accommodate different but valid ways of being and thinking …

This is so vague it becomes meaningless. This type of statement could be used to justify any behavior. Polygamy? Just a valid and different way of being and thinking.

Who determines what is valid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, not backwards.

Let me make the point again.

If a white person suddenly declared themselves black they’d be cancelled and run out of the building yet race is a social construct and therefore able to be believed or not based on one’s desires.

Sex/gender is an immutable fact and cannot be changed. Submitting to hormone therapy is a tacit admission that maleness or femaleness is indeed a separate category and biologically determined at birth. One can be gay or straight, trans, etc. but you began life as XX or XY.

Sure Karen.

The point is that this is no where near as black and white (pun intended) as you are making out. The medical profession acknowledges this.

Concepts around Gender and race are both a complicated mix of biology and social constructs. Gender fluidity is real and messy.

That said, we send our DD to an all girls school because of social reasons - devaluing of female identities and potential is rampant in both RL and online. Studies show female students have more confidence and do better at all girls schools.

If students at all girls schools do not identify as female then they should probably consider other schools for their own sakes. I don’t have an opinion about the pronoun controversy except that many of us send our daughters to all girls schools so that our female children are valued and nurtured to reach their potential.

No, it's not. It's very simple. There is no gender fluidity. It does not and has never existed in human biology. It's what we politely would have called crackpot "science." No matter what a transwoman does, she will never have any of the female bodily functions or bodily experiences, the period, the menopause, the ability to give birth, and the whole range of female hormonal experiences. None of these are fluid. The body itself also never changes from male to female or takes on male-like biological aspects.

The concept of gender fluidity is strictly imaginary, a social construct. Which is rather ironic when you think about it, because we are now entering a farcical time when people are declaring biology to be a social construct too because that is only how you can justify claims of gender fluidity and transgender as legitimate science rather than functions of the neurosis.

Many medical professionals disagree with you.

I'm not the PP, but no. There are no medical professionals that would disagree that you are either born male or female.

Many medical doctors disagree with your dogmatic oversimplifications of sex and gender identities.

AMA wants binary sex identities removed from birth certificates as they do more harm than good for many people.

Sex should be removed as a legal designation on the public part of birth certificates, the American Medical Association (AMA) said Monday.

Requiring it can lead to discrimination and unnecessary burden on individuals whose current gender identity does not align with their designation at birth, namely when they register for school or sports, adopt, get married, or request personal records.

A person's sex designation at birth would still be submitted to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth for medical, public health, and statistical use only, report authors note.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210616/remove-sex-from-public-birth-certificates-ama-says

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/clinicians/transforming-health/health-care-providers/collecting-sexual-orientation.html

Thank heavens that many medical experts understand that sex and gender identity issues are complex ….
As are people …

Not really. Most things are pretty cut and dried.

Only to people whose minds and hearts are not large enough to be able to accommodate different but valid ways of being and thinking …

This is so vague it becomes meaningless. This type of statement could be used to justify any behavior. Polygamy? Just a valid and different way of being and thinking.

Who determines what is valid?

Individuals themselves in consultation with their doctors, families, friends, and peers.

Dogmatically declaring that sex and gender identities are clear cut and straight forward is overly Simplistic and serves few well.

Human identity is complex. Young people are Embracing parts of their identities that we were not allowed to. Good for them.

AMA and CDC both recommend far more nuanced approaches to categorizing gender identities and advise sealing sex status at birth from the public record.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

My middle school daughter doesn't go to an all girl's school and I can't speak to the impetus behind the language questions since we don't go to any of those schools. However, I would question if it is the gender nonconforming kids/families driving the changes or the other girls at the school who want to be more inclusive? That's what I'm seeing at my daughter's school: kids supporting each other, not the marginalized kids pushing changes.

Again, I think our kids are light years ahead of parents on this topic (in this area, anyway).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

My middle school daughter doesn't go to an all girl's school and I can't speak to the impetus behind the language questions since we don't go to any of those schools. However, I would question if it is the gender nonconforming kids/families driving the changes or the other girls at the school who want to be more inclusive? That's what I'm seeing at my daughter's school: kids supporting each other, not the marginalized kids pushing changes.

Again, I think our kids are light years ahead of parents on this topic (in this area, anyway).

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That is what I am seeing at our girls school as well - it is the parents getting their knickers in a knot, not the girls …

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the number of people in this disussion who are conflating biological sex and gender. Sex is biology (male or female genitalia and hormones) and gender is a social construct (how someone expresses themselves to conform or not to a culture's expectations of how a male or female behaves, whether through dress, parenting duties, length of hair, etc.).

Here's an explanation: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender.

Also, I just don't see why so many adults are upset about this. I think the most recent studies show about 10% of teens say they are either gender non-binary or genderqueer or identify in some way that does not conform with the sex they were born with. It's just a fact of life. Many of our kids are just rejecting the binary world that many of us grew up in and are more comfortable expressing a broader range of gender. We can try to shame and stigmatize, or we can try to understand.

I imagine if a kid no longer felt at home in an all girl's school, they would leave (unless the parents were not supportive). The question is whether a school can embrace a child who is on a journey to figuring this out.

And yet, look at the Lia Thomas situation. Lia may identify as a woman, but has a male-sexed body. Why is that person in women’s sports? The schools under discussion here are “single-sex” schools. Why should they change that?

The problem with the original PP above is knowing where the line is between supporting students as individuals and changing the mission of the school. That mission is to educate girls. So if students don't identify as girls and they don't in fact leave the school, but instead want to change the mission of the school, what then? School is free to do so obviously, but shouldn't be labeled transphobic if it chooses not to.

Not pp but. Or an either or situation.

We have Duaghter in girls school and would like the school to remain being called a girls school and focusing on female sensitive education.

However, I have no problem with changing, more nuanced categories for gender identities. However, youth who do not identify as female should probably consider other schools for their own sakes.