Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

Yes. And it is common to have a code word for someone suffering from DV to indicate they are in danger without letting the abuser know. Talking about baking bread is one way. Maybe Gabby’s mom knew about Brian and Gabby and her mom had previously arranged a code word to mean “send help.” The tgrandfather’s name would be easy to remember.

I’m not sure what “can you help Stan” would otherwise mean.

To your point, Stan could simply have been used bc it was Brian who sent the text and he slipped up while pretending to be Gabby. The code word theory is not entirely crazy, though.

It’s an incredible reach.

You keep replying to others that their speculations are a reach. Here's why it's not. First, G's mom made it very clear that she and other family desperately tried reaching BL parents on or around 9/6 because she typically spoke or FaceTime with her daughter every 3-4 days. Last messages from G to mom on or about 8/27 were 1. Can you help Stan? 2. No service in Yosemite

Stay with me here. G's mom contacted police to report her missing when BL parents ignored their calls/texts. LE said too soon, also wasn't their jurisdiction. She never relented and finally LE in Wyoming, a female officer took her seriously, mom referred to her as an "angel" at press conference. Once G was officially reported missing. Mom talked. The first things she said were, those texts were not from my daughter. She doesn't refer to her grandfather as Stan. She also said that G wouldn't mistake Yellowstone for Yosemite.

Could it have been BL, possibly. Could it have been G, probably. She knew Stan and Yosemite would be a red flag in texts to mom. And they were! Never doubt the gut instinct of a mother. To clear up the Stan confusion, that is grandfather's name, but mom said she'd never call him by his name in text or otherwise.

Stan is featured in one of Eminem's songs. Stan is a stalker who is obsessed with a rapper (Eminem allegedly). He writes rapper letters, but never receives a response. He goes off the deep in (in lyrics) insinuating he killed his gf and then himself.

Some also report that STAN is an acronym for Send The Authorities Now. Not sure if this is true or widely known.

Yosemite is a head scratcher. Very possible BL sent it to throw everyone off. Stupid enough possibly to think her mother would believe they changed destinations when G's close friend was meeting her there, and they were ending the journey at the home of a woman who's been said to be like a grandmother to G.

Well here is the major problem - it’s literally impossible for what you are saying to be true. The last text re no service was received by Gabby’s mom the afternoon of 8/30. Brian arrived back in North Port the afternoon of the 9/1. You LITERALLY cannot make that trip from where her body was to North Port in that time, nevertheless both kill her and return back to North port in that time

This is actually very likely why they are still searching that darn reserve. They have the cell phone ping from her phone showing he took it back with him (unless he dumped it mid-way back). They have found the phone at home and they are assuming he went into the reserve with it. Heck, they might have even gotten a ping from it there. So they are looking more for the phone than him at this point

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Anonymous wrote:People sometimes confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. It seemed that message was sent hastily like it was a slip. I think he was buying time acting like she was alive. He may have also sent the Stan message. If she was out of her mind stressed out, she might have referred to the grandfather by name. Or it was probably BL pretending to be her and not doing a very good job of it.

Experienced hikers don't confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. Yellowstone doesn't autocorrect to Yosemite. And her destination was Yellowstone to meet her friend and her "grandmother". It was her, or him. If him, he's a dumbsh¡t. He knows how to "sound" like her. They shared social media and vlogs. Using Stan and Yosemite would trigger her mom. If that was his intent, then he's madman who thought very deliberately to terrorize her mom if G was already gone. This will be one more nail in his coffin, if he's caught.

But if it was her, she may have been in significant distress to type Yosemite if her vision or fingers were compromised. We don't know what he subjected her to prior to strangulation. I apologize for this detail. It hurts to type it.

Well, with that logic, it’s even less likely it was Brian. Remember, it was BRIAN who introduced her to the outdoors and hiking. He is the outdoors expert and fanatic. She was just learning

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Anonymous wrote:People sometimes confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. It seemed that message was sent hastily like it was a slip. I think he was buying time acting like she was alive. He may have also sent the Stan message. If she was out of her mind stressed out, she might have referred to the grandfather by name. Or it was probably BL pretending to be her and not doing a very good job of it.

Experienced hikers don't confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. Yellowstone doesn't autocorrect to Yosemite. And her destination was Yellowstone to meet her friend and her "grandmother". It was her, or him. If him, he's a dumbsh¡t. He knows how to "sound" like her. They shared social media and vlogs. Using Stan and Yosemite would trigger her mom. If that was his intent, then he's madman who thought very deliberately to terrorize her mom if G was already gone. This will be one more nail in his coffin, if he's caught.

But if it was her, she may have been in significant distress to type Yosemite if her vision or fingers were compromised. We don't know what he subjected her to prior to strangulation. I apologize for this detail. It hurts to type it.

It was a quick death. We’ve already heard that from experts. It was quick and it happened where her body was found. There were no bruises or marks on her- no signs of any type of struggle. She was quickly killed, seemingly out of rage, then covered and the person who did it very quickly left the scene.

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This is actually very likely why they are still searching that darn reserve. They have the cell phone ping from her phone showing he took it back with him (unless he dumped it mid-way back). They have found the phone at home and they are assuming he went into the reserve with it. Heck, they might have even gotten a ping from it there. So they are looking more for the phone than him at this point

Lol. There’s a lot of really wild speculation on this thread.

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Was she wearing an Apple watch when killed? Wouldn't the watch record (to the iCloud?) exactly when she lost her pulse/heart beat?

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I never thought in a million years that an entire month would pass by w/no sign of Brian Laundrie.
Dead or alive.

He is rather smart or rather lucky.
His parents show zero emotion when seen so no one has any clue from them.

Sadly this case may go cold the longer Brian remains “missing.”

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Anonymous wrote:I missed the information about a pair of boots next to Gabby's body. That's weird. Were they Gabby's boots, were they Brian's, neither of them?

I think they camped there and he strangled her
in the tent. Then he took everything down and left. He left her boots with her.

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Anonymous wrote:I never thought in a million years that an entire month would pass by w/no sign of Brian Laundrie.
Dead or alive.

He is rather smart or rather lucky.
His parents show zero emotion when seen so no one has any clue from them.

Sadly this case may go cold the longer Brian remains “missing.”

This doesn't surprise me. The wilderness trips and van living was his idea. It was her van but he had the knowledge about outdoor resources and had previously lived in the Appalachia for months at a time. There are large parts of the U.S. - basically from the Rockies to the Appalachia - which is essentially nothing but dense forestry with no one living there.

Even the national park her body was found in was 130,000 acres.

He could hide from others easily in just 1,000 acres. Only travel at night. Hole up in an uninhabited cabin by day. Fish or hunt for meat once every two weeks. Or...I'm betting his parents stocked up in a local country store with no CCTV to get him canned food or provisions like dried fish, MREs, and grains to help him when he first flew down after he killed the girl.

Either way - he's grown a starter beard by now and he'll change his appearance as much as he can.

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This is actually very likely why they are still searching that darn reserve. They have the cell phone ping from her phone showing he took it back with him (unless he dumped it mid-way back). They have found the phone at home and they are assuming he went into the reserve with it. Heck, they might have even gotten a ping from it there. So they are looking more for the phone than him at this point

Lol. There’s a lot of really wild speculation on this thread.

No there isn’t. The warrant said the last ping on the phone was on 9/1. Brian arrived back in North Port at around 10am on 9/1. They would know if he brought the phone back

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This is actually very likely why they are still searching that darn reserve. They have the cell phone ping from her phone showing he took it back with him (unless he dumped it mid-way back). They have found the phone at home and they are assuming he went into the reserve with it. Heck, they might have even gotten a ping from it there. So they are looking more for the phone than him at this point

Lol. There’s a lot of really wild speculation on this thread.

No there isn’t. The warrant said the last ping on the phone was on 9/1. Brian arrived back in North Port at around 10am on 9/1. They would know if he brought the phone back

Is this timing based on what his parents are saying?

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He knows how to do stuff outdoors and his parents helped generate an alibi for a place he was supposedly "camping" nearby.

Ethical parents would have encouraged him to come clean, and do some time for manslaughter, so I would assume he went an opposite direction to a large wilderness area with food, cash and a burner phone. It's not rocket science. He'll probably be caught in a few years when he get cocky on social media or wants a better job that whatever he is doing.

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This is actually very likely why they are still searching that darn reserve. They have the cell phone ping from her phone showing he took it back with him (unless he dumped it mid-way back). They have found the phone at home and they are assuming he went into the reserve with it. Heck, they might have even gotten a ping from it there. So they are looking more for the phone than him at this point

Lol. There’s a lot of really wild speculation on this thread.

No there isn’t. The warrant said the last ping on the phone was on 9/1. Brian arrived back in North Port at around 10am on 9/1. They would know if he brought the phone back

Is this timing based on what his parents are saying?

No, it was based on the legal documents the police filed to get a warrant to search her hard drive in the van. It said Gabby’s phone was turned off on 9/1. When your phone it on, it keeps pinging location and the provider can tell the police exactly where the phone was. So they have a ping on Gabby’s phone from 9/1 before it shut off. In addition, a street camera recorded Gabby’s van entering North Port at about 10:50am on 9/1

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This is actually very likely why they are still searching that darn reserve. They have the cell phone ping from her phone showing he took it back with him (unless he dumped it mid-way back). They have found the phone at home and they are assuming he went into the reserve with it. Heck, they might have even gotten a ping from it there. So they are looking more for the phone than him at this point

Lol. There’s a lot of really wild speculation on this thread.

No there isn’t. The warrant said the last ping on the phone was on 9/1. Brian arrived back in North Port at around 10am on 9/1. They would know if he brought the phone back

Is this timing based on what his parents are saying?

No, it was based on the legal documents the police filed to get a warrant to search her hard drive in the van. It said Gabby’s phone was turned off on 9/1. When your phone it on, it keeps pinging location and the provider can tell the police exactly where the phone was. So they have a ping on Gabby’s phone from 9/1 before it shut off. In addition, a street camera recorded Gabby’s van entering North Port at about 10:50am on 9/1

There has been no publicized information from the FBI that he is suspected to still have her phone with him. The idea that her phone may magically still have a battery charge and be pinging from the reserve is pure speculation.

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No way would her phone still have a charge.

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I think she was killed on the 27th so there is no way she texted her mom on the 30th. Also the fact that the van was in FL on the 1st. And he did all that weird hitchhiking (with witnesses) in between.