Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

His parents are awfully chill and chipper for this to be the case, unless in some unlikely event, two random juice business owners are secretly Academy Award level actors.

They don’t seem chill and chipper in the pix I’ve seen. They look sad and worried.

About as sad and worried if their dog had died. They are making no efforts to find their son and you know it.

I’d say that you think you know a lot more than you actually do.

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I missed the information about a pair of boots next to Gabby's body. That's weird. Were they Gabby's boots, were they Brian's, neither of them?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

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Anonymous wrote:Former prosecutor here. I was not convinced BL was guilty of 1st degree until the cause of death came in as Strangulation. That is personal, premeditated, and usually signals murder by a loved one. Crime of passion. This mode of death is damning.

Oh, poor thing. I didn’t know they released the info she was strangled.

Because of public interest in the case. And the fact that the murderer is still free. Why wouldn’t they?

You misread. I said I didn’t know they had released the manner of death. I did not say I had issue with the release.

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Anonymous wrote:Cadaver dogs have been called in.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/cadaver-dog-requested-as-brian-laundrie-preserve-search-ramps-up-again/3323209/

The video here says she was likely dead for 3-4 weeks before she was found. I thought she had been seen August 25 or so?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10093781/Cadaver-dog-joins-search-Brian-Laundrie-K9-Diesel-sent-Gabby-Petitos-missing-fiance.html
14 October 2021

K9 Diesel, a three-year-old Labrador Retriever who works for the Pasco County Sheriff's Office in Florida, has joined the search for Brian Laundrie
Cadaver dog was deployed at the request of the North Port Police Department, the FBI, and the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office
Search for Laundrie has focused on the Carlton Reserve, the 25,000-acre alligator-infested swamp near the Laundrie family home
Several law enforcement vehicles were spotted on Thursday at one of the entrances to the Carlton Reserve after several days of relative quiet ...

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

Yes. And it is common to have a code word for someone suffering from DV to indicate they are in danger without letting the abuser know. Talking about baking bread is one way. Maybe Gabby’s mom knew about Brian and Gabby and her mom had previously arranged a code word to mean “send help.” The tgrandfather’s name would be easy to remember.

I’m not sure what “can you help Stan” would otherwise mean.

To your point, Stan could simply have been used bc it was Brian who sent the text and he slipped up while pretending to be Gabby. The code word theory is not entirely crazy, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

Yet, she didn’t even report her kid missing until the 11th?! TWO WEEKS later?! That’s exponentially worse than Brian’s parents. Either she absolutely was not that concerned about the text at the time or she is oddly passive about any concern

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

Yes. And it is common to have a code word for someone suffering from DV to indicate they are in danger without letting the abuser know. Talking about baking bread is one way. Maybe Gabby’s mom knew about Brian and Gabby and her mom had previously arranged a code word to mean “send help.” The tgrandfather’s name would be easy to remember.

I’m not sure what “can you help Stan” would otherwise mean.

To your point, Stan could simply have been used bc it was Brian who sent the text and he slipped up while pretending to be Gabby. The code word theory is not entirely crazy, though.

It’s an incredible reach.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

Yes. And it is common to have a code word for someone suffering from DV to indicate they are in danger without letting the abuser know. Talking about baking bread is one way. Maybe Gabby’s mom knew about Brian and Gabby and her mom had previously arranged a code word to mean “send help.” The tgrandfather’s name would be easy to remember.

I’m not sure what “can you help Stan” would otherwise mean.

To your point, Stan could simply have been used bc it was Brian who sent the text and he slipped up while pretending to be Gabby. The code word theory is not entirely crazy, though.

It’s an incredible reach.

You keep replying to others that their speculations are a reach. Here's why it's not. First, G's mom made it very clear that she and other family desperately tried reaching BL parents on or around 9/6 because she typically spoke or FaceTime with her daughter every 3-4 days. Last messages from G to mom on or about 8/27 were 1. Can you help Stan? 2. No service in Yosemite

Stay with me here. G's mom contacted police to report her missing when BL parents ignored their calls/texts. LE said too soon, also wasn't their jurisdiction. She never relented and finally LE in Wyoming, a female officer took her seriously, mom referred to her as an "angel" at press conference. Once G was officially reported missing. Mom talked. The first things she said were, those texts were not from my daughter. She doesn't refer to her grandfather as Stan. She also said that G wouldn't mistake Yellowstone for Yosemite.

Could it have been BL, possibly. Could it have been G, probably. She knew Stan and Yosemite would be a red flag in texts to mom. And they were! Never doubt the gut instinct of a mother. To clear up the Stan confusion, that is grandfather's name, but mom said she'd never call him by his name in text or otherwise.

Stan is featured in one of Eminem's songs. Stan is a stalker who is obsessed with a rapper (Eminem allegedly). He writes rapper letters, but never receives a response. He goes off the deep in (in lyrics) insinuating he killed his gf and then himself.

Some also report that STAN is an acronym for Send The Authorities Now. Not sure if this is true or widely known.

Yosemite is a head scratcher. Very possible BL sent it to throw everyone off. Stupid enough possibly to think her mother would believe they changed destinations when G's close friend was meeting her there, and they were ending the journey at the home of a woman who's been said to be like a grandmother to G.

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People sometimes confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. It seemed that message was sent hastily like it was a slip. I think he was buying time acting like she was alive. He may have also sent the Stan message. If she was out of her mind stressed out, she might have referred to the grandfather by name. Or it was probably BL pretending to be her and not doing a very good job of it.

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Anonymous wrote:People sometimes confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. It seemed that message was sent hastily like it was a slip. I think he was buying time acting like she was alive. He may have also sent the Stan message. If she was out of her mind stressed out, she might have referred to the grandfather by name. Or it was probably BL pretending to be her and not doing a very good job of it.

Experienced hikers don't confuse Yellowstone and Yosemite. Yellowstone doesn't autocorrect to Yosemite. And her destination was Yellowstone to meet her friend and her "grandmother". It was her, or him. If him, he's a dumbsh¡t. He knows how to "sound" like her. They shared social media and vlogs. Using Stan and Yosemite would trigger her mom. If that was his intent, then he's madman who thought very deliberately to terrorize her mom if G was already gone. This will be one more nail in his coffin, if he's caught.

But if it was her, she may have been in significant distress to type Yosemite if her vision or fingers were compromised. We don't know what he subjected her to prior to strangulation. I apologize for this detail. It hurts to type it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Brian killed himself. I think he drove back home to say goodbye to his family, then left to die alone in the woods somewhere. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his parents were fully aware of this plan.

Possible, but I would think a vlogger like him would have scheduled a text to his parents saying goodbye. And he would've been found near his car, at least a piece of clothing, something. His parents don't seem concerned he is dead at all. His father just went pretend searching for him. He went to great lengths to hide Gabbys cell, apple watch. If he is dead, I think it's by accident at this point.

Yeah, agreed. I think of it this way - like Dog said, he likely called the parents right after it happened and they told him to drive home ASAP and lawyered up faster than the police could get any statement from him. They apparently obtained burner phones, and clearly there is money available that allowed for the flight home earlier in August, the mini camping excursion, new camper, etc…

Sorry but I have no faith in anything “Dog” says. He’s been wrong repeatedly and is so obviously a publicity whore.

But why not leave or ditch the van and fly home unless the parents directed him to drive back and/or bring it back?

That’s not what happened here. Here is what has me very confused. I thought she was killed right after the restaurant fight with the hostess in Jackson Hole. However, there has been a lot of analysis done on that video of the van on the side of road from that vlogger. That video is from a couple or few hours after the restaurant incident. If you watch the slowed down versions, It is 100% unquestionable that someone jumped into the back of the van and closed the door when they heard the vlogger’s vehicle approaching. At first I thought well, duh, it’s Brian hiding with the dead body. BUT, when you look at the slowed down video, you see both of Gabby’s sandals side by side right outside the back of the van like she stepped out of them. AND you see right on top of a tree stump next to the van, a book with Gabby’s phone right on top of it. This was around the time when Gabby’s mom got the text about her grandfather “Stan.” Every sign points to Gabby having been alive and hanging out right next to the van. And there was no sign of Brian. Sure, he could of been in the back with her, but there is no indication he was. And a couple of days later, you have him hitchhiking and getting rides from two different people miles away looking to get back towards the van area. At the very least, the idea that he called the parents right after then left is not at all true. She died the same day of that Jackson Hole fight. The question is where was Brian. I think he did it, but there is a lot of information that can provide reasonable doubt.

Another very weird thing that is racking my brain is why there were hiking boots next to her body. Were they her boots? If so, why were they off? She had the sandals on near the van so did she put the boots on to go wander that area? Were they Men’s boots? The boots are such an odd fact here

So much of this is a real reach.

+1. They likely removed their shoes before getting into the van. The fact that Gabby's shoes were outside the van means nothing except that at some point, she removed her shoes and got into the van. She may have been strangled inside the van. Likewise, the fact that her phone was sitting near the van means nothing, especially since we know that Brian used her phone after she was dead.

Apparently Gabby and Brian has similar shoes. Last I knew, it was t possible from that video to be certain whose shoes those were.

The Stan text was a weird one. I don’t know if that was a code word meaning “I’m in trouble,” a normal yet random text, or something Brian sent from her phone after she died.

It is widely assumed that Brian sent the Stan message pretending to be Gabby. Stan is Gabby’s grandfather and this strangely worded message was the first clue to Gabby’s mom that something might be off.

Yes. And it is common to have a code word for someone suffering from DV to indicate they are in danger without letting the abuser know. Talking about baking bread is one way. Maybe Gabby’s mom knew about Brian and Gabby and her mom had previously arranged a code word to mean “send help.” The tgrandfather’s name would be easy to remember.

I’m not sure what “can you help Stan” would otherwise mean.

To your point, Stan could simply have been used bc it was Brian who sent the text and he slipped up while pretending to be Gabby. The code word theory is not entirely crazy, though.

It’s an incredible reach.

You keep replying to others that their speculations are a reach. Here's why it's not. First, G's mom made it very clear that she and other family desperately tried reaching BL parents on or around 9/6 because she typically spoke or FaceTime with her daughter every 3-4 days. Last messages from G to mom on or about 8/27 were 1. Can you help Stan? 2. No service in Yosemite

Stay with me here. G's mom contacted police to report her missing when BL parents ignored their calls/texts. LE said too soon, also wasn't their jurisdiction. She never relented and finally LE in Wyoming, a female officer took her seriously, mom referred to her as an "angel" at press conference. Once G was officially reported missing. Mom talked. The first things she said were, those texts were not from my daughter. She doesn't refer to her grandfather as Stan. She also said that G wouldn't mistake Yellowstone for Yosemite.

Could it have been BL, possibly. Could it have been G, probably. She knew Stan and Yosemite would be a red flag in texts to mom. And they were! Never doubt the gut instinct of a mother. To clear up the Stan confusion, that is grandfather's name, but mom said she'd never call him by his name in text or otherwise.

Stan is featured in one of Eminem's songs. Stan is a stalker who is obsessed with a rapper (Eminem allegedly). He writes rapper letters, but never receives a response. He goes off the deep in (in lyrics) insinuating he killed his gf and then himself.

Some also report that STAN is an acronym for Send The Authorities Now. Not sure if this is true or widely known.

Yosemite is a head scratcher. Very possible BL sent it to throw everyone off. Stupid enough possibly to think her mother would believe they changed destinations when G's close friend was meeting her there, and they were ending the journey at the home of a woman who's been said to be like a grandmother to G.

Well here is the major problem - it’s literally impossible for what you are saying to be true. The last text re no service was received by Gabby’s mom the afternoon of 8/30. Brian arrived back in North Port the afternoon of the 9/1. You LITERALLY cannot make that trip from where her body was to North Port in that time, nevertheless both kill her and return back to North port in that time