PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

I don't know a single Jew who celebrates Christmas in early Fall, when Jesus was likely born.

The December festivities are 1000% secular.

Welcome to having one’s faith appropriated. And now it looks like seders will be appropriated. Join the club. Oh well. Stop whining. We only put up a Seder tree. We don’t do the other religious stuff.

Seder tree? Huh?

[Anonymous]

I’m not aware of Jewish families celebrating Christmas.

Interfaith families? Sure.

But loads of Jewish families putting up a Christmas tree and going to Mass?

Yeah ... no.

[Anonymous]

I’m pretty sure the last supper was a Passover meal. So it seems integral to Christianity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty sure the last supper was a Passover meal. So it seems integral to Christianity.

It was not a Passover Seder.

The modern Passover Seder was developed during rabbinical Judaism, well after Jesus.

The Last Supper was a typical Jewish feast, with nothing to do with Passover as any sort of recognition of Jewish liberation from Egyptian slavery.

[Anonymous]

Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

Ok. I can’t argue with that because I frankly don’t know anything about the religious aspect of Judaism. I just know in this section of the Bible it speaks a lot about Passover meal and killing the Passover lamb. So maybe a Seder is kind of like a developed thing like the African tradition of kwanza?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the heck cares if Christians have seders? We live in a free country. If you want to have a Seder, be my guest. You can pray to the sun god for all I care. Live and let live. Stop with this appropriation B. S.

Here’s a Pastor explaining it for you:

https://twitter.com/kitttenqueen/status/1374251135037366272?s=21

Yes, and? Pastors have opinions and views. So do pundints. So do journalists. So do writers. So does everyone n DCUM.

Yes. And?

My spirituality has zero to do with your opinions.

Well, now that we have you rejecting the knowledge of a Pastor, I think we are clearly done here.

A pastor? Bwahahaha. You know Joel Osteen is "a pastor," right? See how that title does not equal learned or relevant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

Ok. I can’t argue with that because I frankly don’t know anything about the religious aspect of Judaism. I just know in this section of the Bible it speaks a lot about Passover meal and killing the Passover lamb. So maybe a Seder is kind of like a developed thing like the African tradition of kwanza?

I don’t know what you mean by “developed thing.”

Jews have been celebrating Passover since the 5th century BCE, but the last supper wasn’t on Passover. A lamb was sacrificed at many Jewish feasts. Doesn’t mean it was a Passover Seder.

Moreover, the Passover Seder as we know it today was developed during rabbinical Judaism, so after the destruction of our second Temple in 70 CE, after which we stopped sacrificing animals.

So you having a Seder like we do isn’t akin to anything that Jesus would’ve done, even if the last supper had been on Passover. Judaism as it was practiced when the First and Second Temples were intact was nothing like it was afterwards.

In short: using matzah, charoset, the egg, or anything else present on the Seder plate to somehow relate things to Jesus is totally inaccurate.

Maybe have a Maudy Thursday service? Lots of ways to note the Last Supper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the heck cares if Christians have seders? We live in a free country. If you want to have a Seder, be my guest. You can pray to the sun god for all I care. Live and let live. Stop with this appropriation B. S.

Here’s a Pastor explaining it for you:

https://twitter.com/kitttenqueen/status/1374251135037366272?s=21

Yes, and? Pastors have opinions and views. So do pundints. So do journalists. So do writers. So does everyone n DCUM.

Yes. And?

My spirituality has zero to do with your opinions.

Well, now that we have you rejecting the knowledge of a Pastor, I think we are clearly done here.

A pastor? Bwahahaha. You know Joel Osteen is "a pastor," right? See how that title does not equal learned or relevant?

Does she seem like Joel Osteen to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

Ok. I can’t argue with that because I frankly don’t know anything about the religious aspect of Judaism. I just know in this section of the Bible it speaks a lot about Passover meal and killing the Passover lamb. So maybe a Seder is kind of like a developed thing like the African tradition of kwanza?

I don’t know what you mean by “developed thing.”

Jews have been celebrating Passover since the 5th century BCE, but the last supper wasn’t on Passover. A lamb was sacrificed at many Jewish feasts. Doesn’t mean it was a Passover Seder.

Moreover, the Passover Seder as we know it today was developed during rabbinical Judaism, so after the destruction of our second Temple in 70 CE, after which we stopped sacrificing animals.

So you having a Seder like we do isn’t akin to anything that Jesus would’ve done, even if the last supper had been on Passover. Judaism as it was practiced when the First and Second Temples were intact was nothing like it was afterwards.

In short: using matzah, charoset, the egg, or anything else present on the Seder plate to somehow relate things to Jesus is totally inaccurate.

Maybe have a Maudy Thursday service? Lots of ways to note the Last Supper.

The last supper was absolutely on Passover. It’s literally all over the Christian scriptures. Those very same Christian scriptures describe that the lamb discussed was being slaughtered to celebrate the exodus from Egypt.

So you may be right it wasn’t a Seder and maybe it was the pre-Seder time as some people here are asserting (of which I have no idea if they are right) the Christian scripture state unequivocally that the dinner with the unleavened bread and wine etc was for Passover. And it may be an uncomfortable comparison that Christianity borrowed its bread and wine directly from the Jewish faith 2000 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

Ok. I can’t argue with that because I frankly don’t know anything about the religious aspect of Judaism. I just know in this section of the Bible it speaks a lot about Passover meal and killing the Passover lamb. So maybe a Seder is kind of like a developed thing like the African tradition of kwanza?

I don’t know what you mean by “developed thing.”

Jews have been celebrating Passover since the 5th century BCE, but the last supper wasn’t on Passover. A lamb was sacrificed at many Jewish feasts. Doesn’t mean it was a Passover Seder.

Moreover, the Passover Seder as we know it today was developed during rabbinical Judaism, so after the destruction of our second Temple in 70 CE, after which we stopped sacrificing animals.

So you having a Seder like we do isn’t akin to anything that Jesus would’ve done, even if the last supper had been on Passover. Judaism as it was practiced when the First and Second Temples were intact was nothing like it was afterwards.

In short: using matzah, charoset, the egg, or anything else present on the Seder plate to somehow relate things to Jesus is totally inaccurate.

Maybe have a Maudy Thursday service? Lots of ways to note the Last Supper.

The last supper was absolutely on Passover. It’s literally all over the Christian scriptures. Those very same Christian scriptures describe that the lamb discussed was being slaughtered to celebrate the exodus from Egypt.

So you may be right it wasn’t a Seder and maybe it was the pre-Seder time as some people here are asserting (of which I have no idea if they are right) the Christian scripture state unequivocally that the dinner with the unleavened bread and wine etc was for Passover. And it may be an uncomfortable comparison that Christianity borrowed its bread and wine directly from the Jewish faith 2000 years ago.

There’s legitimate scholarly debate about whether Jesus was still alive when Passover actually happened that year.

That said, the Jewish holiday of Passover has nothing to do with Jesus. None whatsoever.

If you want to sacrifice a lamb and call it your homage to Jesus’s Passover, more power to you, but please leave our holiday out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

Ok. I can’t argue with that because I frankly don’t know anything about the religious aspect of Judaism. I just know in this section of the Bible it speaks a lot about Passover meal and killing the Passover lamb. So maybe a Seder is kind of like a developed thing like the African tradition of kwanza?

oh boy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

That doesn’t make it a Passover Seder. Sorry.

That didn’t exist until rabbinical Judaism.

Ok. I can’t argue with that because I frankly don’t know anything about the religious aspect of Judaism. I just know in this section of the Bible it speaks a lot about Passover meal and killing the Passover lamb. So maybe a Seder is kind of like a developed thing like the African tradition of kwanza?

I don’t know what you mean by “developed thing.”

Jews have been celebrating Passover since the 5th century BCE, but the last supper wasn’t on Passover. A lamb was sacrificed at many Jewish feasts. Doesn’t mean it was a Passover Seder.

Moreover, the Passover Seder as we know it today was developed during rabbinical Judaism, so after the destruction of our second Temple in 70 CE, after which we stopped sacrificing animals.

So you having a Seder like we do isn’t akin to anything that Jesus would’ve done, even if the last supper had been on Passover. Judaism as it was practiced when the First and Second Temples were intact was nothing like it was afterwards.

In short: using matzah, charoset, the egg, or anything else present on the Seder plate to somehow relate things to Jesus is totally inaccurate.

Maybe have a Maudy Thursday service? Lots of ways to note the Last Supper.

The last supper was absolutely on Passover. It’s literally all over the Christian scriptures. Those very same Christian scriptures describe that the lamb discussed was being slaughtered to celebrate the exodus from Egypt.

So you may be right it wasn’t a Seder and maybe it was the pre-Seder time as some people here are asserting (of which I have no idea if they are right) the Christian scripture state unequivocally that the dinner with the unleavened bread and wine etc was for Passover. And it may be an uncomfortable comparison that Christianity borrowed its bread and wine directly from the Jewish faith 2000 years ago.

There’s legitimate scholarly debate about whether Jesus was still alive when Passover actually happened that year.

That said, the Jewish holiday of Passover has nothing to do with Jesus. None whatsoever.

If you want to sacrifice a lamb and call it your homage to Jesus’s Passover, more power to you, but please leave our holiday out of it.

I have an Idea. They can have one day in the Spring when there is a religious ceremony celebrating “Jesus’s passover,” often observed with a big family meal where lamb is served. We can call it Jesus’s Passover. Or maybe ... Easter?