Tenley Chick Filet takes measures against loitering after school by students, including Wilson

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

You're missing the point- YOU linked being rowdy and misbehaving with being OOB. Now that you've been called out, you're changing your tune. Furthermore, you keep bringing up the behavior as if they're doing something criminal. Someone tossed a rock a few years back. That's wildly inappropriate. But you don't get to make special rules for Wilson. It's legal to be rowdy and swear and make crotchety jerks miserable. Just because you feel awfully special doesn't mean you get to have special rules. Sorry.

It wasn't I.

In any even, shoving, spitting, etc. are assault. Perhaps MPD should handle the kids. Better yet, call the Park Police because they won't take B.S. from them.

+1.

Is it too much to expect the rule of law in DC?

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No, but the people who go over them in their SUVs do.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the pps made a good comment.
The MD and VA commuters cutting through the neighborhood are a much bigger threat.
Many speed and don't stop at stop signs. This is a big issue as kids as young as 3rd grade are often walking alone.
The Wilson kids can be a nuisance but are mostly harmless.

Get lots of speed humps. They work. And they don't shove, shout obscenities and spit on passerby.

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The teenaged sow who heaved a drink out her passenger window at another car didn't impress me much. Apparently she grew up in a barn instead of a house, which is surprising for the inner city. The troglodytes who inhabit DC high schools are scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the lower-achieving students at Wilson have 15 students per class, this year? If so, the place should be a paradise for them.

I hope this is true. Those kids need support.

Wilson is the flagship high school in the city. Lower achieving students should be in a less rigorous, more remedial high school, so as not to suck resources from the other kids.

Is this true? Are the low-achieving kids in tiny class sizes while the advanced kids in massive auditoriums?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the lower-achieving students at Wilson have 15 students per class, this year? If so, the place should be a paradise for them.

I hope this is true. Those kids need support.

Wilson is the flagship high school in the city. Lower achieving students should be in a less rigorous, more remedial high school, so as not to suck resources from the other kids.

Is this true? Are the low-achieving kids in tiny class sizes while the advanced kids in massive auditoriums?

Look up "straw man" fallacy. Explains very well the idiocy of your question.

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Race clouds everyone's response to this - it seems. Maybe some people are concerned with boisterousness in black kids where they wouldn't be concerned with wthite kids. But some people take it the other way and just assume that it's only white people being racist and that there is no way that there are real problems that cross the line sometimes too.

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Anonymous wrote:Race clouds everyone's response to this - it seems. Maybe some people are concerned with boisterousness in black kids where they wouldn't be concerned with wthite kids. But some people take it the other way and just assume that it's only white people being racist and that there is no way that there are real problems that cross the line sometimes too.

I don't particularly care what race you are, but when you throw your waste outside of your window I think you personally are trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Race clouds everyone's response to this - it seems. Maybe some people are concerned with boisterousness in black kids where they wouldn't be concerned with wthite kids. But some people take it the other way and just assume that it's only white people being racist and that there is no way that there are real problems that cross the line sometimes too.

I don't particularly care what race you are, but when you throw your waste outside of your window I think you personally are trash.

+1.

And, those who justify such trashy behavior because blah-blah-blah-the-man-made-me-do-it are trash that truly stinks.

[Anonymous]

I got a little curious about whether there is any actual objective data suggesting a link between Wilson students after school activities and crime rates, and the related question discussed here about whether any crimes being committed can be linked in any objective statistical sense to OOB students. There are lots of stories from people posting here, and several newspaper articles about Wilson students getting into trouble, but those are all just anecdotes. I spent 20 minutes looking for data. I found no definitive answers, but here is some data in case anyone wants to take it further ...

1. Crime does seem higher around Wilson/Tenleytown than around other Metro stops closer to downtown. The DC Crime Map of police reports (http://crimemap.dc.gov/Report.aspx) shows 223 crimes reported within 1500 feet of Wilson/Tenleytown in the past year. That's markedly higher than the two Metro stops south on the red line: Van Ness (120 crimes) and Cleveland Park (93 crimes). This doesn't prove, of course, that it's Wilson students committing these crimes. I suppose the Tenleytown area might be particularly attractive to criminals because of the stores there, so maybe lots of people commute to Tenleytown to commit crimes. But I do think it's a fair assumption that the large number of young people drown to Tenleytown by Wilson might add somewhat to the extra level of crime.

2. Crime in the Tenleytown area does seem a little more likely in the hours after school lets out than in other times of day. I downloaded and sorted the crimes by time of day. Out of 141 total crimes within 1500 feet of Wilson during the nine months covering last school year (Sept 1 - May 31), 32% (45 crimes) were reported in the hours right before and after Wilson students were (in theory) in school (8-9am + 3-6pm). As a comparison, that's more crime than was reported in the 7pm-midnight hours (38 crimes, or 27%).

3. Juveniles committing crimes in the PSA area around Wilson/Tenleytown, are generally not living in the upper NWDC area. I looked at the juvenile arrest statistics from 2015 for the 202 PSA, which is the one around Wilson/Tenleytown (http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/biannual-reports-juvenile-arrests). In total, 31 juveniles were arrested in the 202 PSA in 2015. Of those 31 arrested juveniles, none of them were living in the 202 PSA around Tenleytown. Only two arrested juveniles were from any of the PSAs in what I think of as upper NWDC (basically the area west of the park and north of Dupont Circle). The other 29 (94%) were mostly from various other parts of DC, with a few from out of state.

None of this is at all definitive. There are plenty of gaps in this data, so it's certainly possible there are alternative explanations or confounding factors. But this is the only data I could find.

If others have better data, I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Anonymous]

10:03 again. BTW, none of the data I saw had anything about race.

[Anonymous]

Fascinating. Thank you for spending the time to throw in some facts. I think the basic ask from the immediate community for more partnership with the school and police in terms of maintaining a safe and civil shared space for all is bolstered by this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got a little curious about whether there is any actual objective data suggesting a link between Wilson students after school activities and crime rates, and the related question discussed here about whether any crimes being committed can be linked in any objective statistical sense to OOB students. There are lots of stories from people posting here, and several newspaper articles about Wilson students getting into trouble, but those are all just anecdotes. I spent 20 minutes looking for data. I found no definitive answers, but here is some data in case anyone wants to take it further ...

1. Crime does seem higher around Wilson/Tenleytown than around other Metro stops closer to downtown. The DC Crime Map of police reports (http://crimemap.dc.gov/Report.aspx) shows 223 crimes reported within 1500 feet of Wilson/Tenleytown in the past year. That's markedly higher than the two Metro stops south on the red line: Van Ness (120 crimes) and Cleveland Park (93 crimes). This doesn't prove, of course, that it's Wilson students committing these crimes. I suppose the Tenleytown area might be particularly attractive to criminals because of the stores there, so maybe lots of people commute to Tenleytown to commit crimes. But I do think it's a fair assumption that the large number of young people drown to Tenleytown by Wilson might add somewhat to the extra level of crime.

2. Crime in the Tenleytown area does seem a little more likely in the hours after school lets out than in other times of day. I downloaded and sorted the crimes by time of day. Out of 141 total crimes within 1500 feet of Wilson during the nine months covering last school year (Sept 1 - May 31), 32% (45 crimes) were reported in the hours right before and after Wilson students were (in theory) in school (8-9am + 3-6pm). As a comparison, that's more crime than was reported in the 7pm-midnight hours (38 crimes, or 27%).

3. Juveniles committing crimes in the PSA area around Wilson/Tenleytown, are generally not living in the upper NWDC area. I looked at the juvenile arrest statistics from 2015 for the 202 PSA, which is the one around Wilson/Tenleytown (http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/biannual-reports-juvenile-arrests). In total, 31 juveniles were arrested in the 202 PSA in 2015. Of those 31 arrested juveniles, none of them were living in the 202 PSA around Tenleytown. Only two arrested juveniles were from any of the PSAs in what I think of as upper NWDC (basically the area west of the park and north of Dupont Circle). The other 29 (94%) were mostly from various other parts of DC, with a few from out of state.

None of this is at all definitive. There are plenty of gaps in this data, so it's certainly possible there are alternative explanations or confounding factors. But this is the only data I could find.

If others have better data, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Those data points are amazing, and simplify the discussion a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the lower-achieving students at Wilson have 15 students per class, this year? If so, the place should be a paradise for them.

I hope this is true. Those kids need support.

Wilson is the flagship high school in the city. Lower achieving students should be in a less rigorous, more remedial high school, so as not to suck resources from the other kids.

Is this true? Are the low-achieving kids in tiny class sizes while the advanced kids in massive auditoriums?

Ahhh... the stupid.... it hurts.

No, dumbass, no one is in massive auditoriums. My advanced kid at Wilson has 25 or so kids in all classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teenaged sow who heaved a drink out her passenger window at another car didn't impress me much. Apparently she grew up in a barn instead of a house, which is surprising for the inner city. The troglodyte racist trolls who inhabit DCUM are scary.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Race clouds everyone's response to this - it seems. Maybe some people are concerned with boisterousness in black kids where they wouldn't be concerned with wthite kids. But some people take it the other way and just assume that it's only white people being racist and that there is no way that there are real problems that cross the line sometimes too.

The difference is that when I see white kids behaving this way, and I mostly never do, I tell them to stop it and behave themselves. When I see black kids I can't say this because I am not trying to correct bad behavior, I will be seen as a "racist." See what throwing around the race card does to people, it makes us treat people differently.