Tenley Chick Filet takes measures against loitering after school by students, including Wilson

[Anonymous]

One of the pps made a good comment.
The MD and VA commuters cutting through the neighborhood are a much bigger threat.
Many speed and don't stop at stop signs. This is a big issue as kids as young as 3rd grade are often walking alone.
The Wilson kids can be a nuisance but are mostly harmless.

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

19 pages of non-stop whining and its the kids who have too much time on their hands

Point taken. Based on PPs comments, it appears there is a bit of an over reaction going. Same with Chick-fil-a. It costs very little to hire a security guard for a few hours a week.

Really? How little and for which hours? And how does that expense get distributed across the price of chicken sandwiches?

Nothing is as easy to organize as OPM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the pps made a good comment.
The MD and VA commuters cutting through the neighborhood are a much bigger threat.
Many speed and don't stop at stop signs. This is a big issue as kids as young as 3rd grade are often walking alone.
The Wilson kids can be a nuisance but are mostly harmless.

Get lots of speed humps. They work. And they don't shove, shout obscenities and spit on passerby.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

You'll often find the police presence in Tenleytown, usually strolling the aisles of Best Buy.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

You're missing the point- YOU linked being rowdy and misbehaving with being OOB. Now that you've been called out, you're changing your tune. Furthermore, you keep bringing up the behavior as if they're doing something criminal. Someone tossed a rock a few years back. That's wildly inappropriate. But you don't get to make special rules for Wilson. It's legal to be rowdy and swear and make crotchety jerks miserable. Just because you feel awfully special doesn't mean you get to have special rules. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

You're missing the point- YOU linked being rowdy and misbehaving with being OOB. Now that you've been called out, you're changing your tune. Furthermore, you keep bringing up the behavior as if they're doing something criminal. Someone tossed a rock a few years back. That's wildly inappropriate. But you don't get to make special rules for Wilson. It's legal to be rowdy and swear and make crotchety jerks miserable. Just because you feel awfully special doesn't mean you get to have special rules. Sorry.

It wasn't I.

In any even, shoving, spitting, etc. are assault. Perhaps MPD should handle the kids. Better yet, call the Park Police because they won't take B.S. from them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

You're missing the point- YOU linked being rowdy and misbehaving with being OOB. Now that you've been called out, you're changing your tune. Furthermore, you keep bringing up the behavior as if they're doing something criminal. Someone tossed a rock a few years back. That's wildly inappropriate. But you don't get to make special rules for Wilson. It's legal to be rowdy and swear and make crotchety jerks miserable. Just because you feel awfully special doesn't mean you get to have special rules. Sorry.

All rowdy kids are not OOB but most OOB are rowdy.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

You're missing the point- YOU linked being rowdy and misbehaving with being OOB. Now that you've been called out, you're changing your tune. Furthermore, you keep bringing up the behavior as if they're doing something criminal. Someone tossed a rock a few years back. That's wildly inappropriate. But you don't get to make special rules for Wilson. It's legal to be rowdy and swear and make crotchety jerks miserable. Just because you feel awfully special doesn't mean you get to have special rules. Sorry.

All rowdy kids are not OOB but most OOB are rowdy.

What'd you spend the last five years doing investigative research and conducting interviews and compiling data?
Just because you think it that doesn't make it a fact dumb ass.

[Anonymous]

Is it true that the lower-achieving students at Wilson have 15 students per class, this year? If so, the place should be a paradise for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the lower-achieving students at Wilson have 15 students per class, this year? If so, the place should be a paradise for them.

I hope this is true. Those kids need support.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

Being OOB has nothing to do with aggressive, badly behaving students. However, if any happen to be OOB, it's an important tool in Wilson's tool kit because they have the right to kick them out and send them somewhere else. And they should remove the significant problems if they can. Moreover, it's the right thing to remove them, because hopefully their spot can be given to some other OOB student who would love to go to Wilson and is willing to work hard and abide by the rules. Unfortunately, the school can't easily expel students having IB rights.

You're missing the point- YOU linked being rowdy and misbehaving with being OOB. Now that you've been called out, you're changing your tune. Furthermore, you keep bringing up the behavior as if they're doing something criminal. Someone tossed a rock a few years back. That's wildly inappropriate. But you don't get to make special rules for Wilson. It's legal to be rowdy and swear and make crotchety jerks miserable. Just because you feel awfully special doesn't mean you get to have special rules. Sorry.

All rowdy kids are not OOB but most OOB are rowdy.

Wow.. That one really missed the mark. Now you're saying ALL the rich kids at Wilson OOB from Capitol Hill (via feeder) are all rowdy?!

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

I'll stop calling you racist if you explain to me how you know that these kids are out of bounds.

I can't speak for the other people calling you racist.

I noticed all the white people who claim that race is "not a part of this" skirted this question. Because it is clear that race is CLEARLY playing a role. But you can keep acting like you're "concerned" when we know the real issue. You're disgusting.

I addressed it directly. I don't know or care whether they're in bounds or not. I don't care what their race is.

Now you answer my questions: Why are you so focused on their race? Why do you excuse the bad behavior?

I'm not excusing their bad behavior- I just think you're exaggerating. You may now be saying you don't care if they're OOB or not (because someone called you out) but earlier nearly every post suggested returning them to their inbounds. Because of course only "good kids" live inbounds. You want to eat your hate chicken and Panera in peace- I get that. But you chose to live in a neighborhood with a high school- a desirable school to many. The positive is that your home values are high because of the good school, but you don't want the downside which is teenagers acting like teenagers. I've been there and not seen anything like you're describing. You're a racist- own it!

Well said and agreed - the folks in this thread (though I suspect it is one person) who keep insisting it is not about race then make a bunch of insinuations that suggest it is about nothing but race as if going after OOB kids isn't code for AA kids.

How many of the folks who keep making that point are aware that the group MPD suspects of dealing Heroin in the neighborhood for the last 5 years (and allegedly at a bunch of other mostly affluent local high schools) is a group of white kids from AU Park who ride around the neighborhood on skateboards?

This is a silly thread at this point - I walk through TT twice a day taking my kids to Janney at the same time all the Wilson kids are all out and about and very rarely see the behavior that so many others seem to see (or more likely imagine) every day. We even go into Chic-fil-a for an occassional after school treat of a lemonade or ice cream and I've never had any issues with the Wilson kids who crowd the restaurant at the same time we are there.

I even remember the person who made the rock throwing allegation last spring because I was in TT that day on the exact corner at the exact time this supposed long duration incident happened and saw no such thing.

As a parent with young kids I'm far far more concerned about all of the aggressive driving I see every day from MD commuters and was almost hit the other day crossing the exit from the CVS parking lot by an obnoxious woman from MD in a white SUV with an NPS sticker on the back who was on her phone (with kids in the back!) and who didn't want to yield to us and accelerated to beat us to the driveway even though we were half way across.

It happened. It was three children. One was carrying a long poster. They also stood in the middle of the street blocking traffic and calling out to confused and faltering drivers, "what are you going to do? Knock me over? Yeah, I thought so!"..I cant remember what time it was now, but do know that with after school classes different streams of children release at different times. Spring seems particularly congested as the weather gets nice. If it is quieter these days, awesome.thats a good thing but doesn't prove an point you're trying to make. Nor does claiming you didn't see rock throwing so it couldn't have happened. How absurd. I haven't posted here in weeks but find your efforts to conflate everyone's witnesings and responses sort of irresponsible.

Uh huh sure - you haven't posted here in weeks yet the rock throwing incident is referenced in the first person up thread and you responded immediately when called out about this. But you are not paying attention to the discussion nor playing a role in driving it.

Look you (or someone) posted a very detailed description shortly after the alleged rock throwing incident and it is not a coincidence because I'm there at that time every day but I was in fact there at the very intersection when this person alleged this incident happened. So maybe it did happen that day and I missed or maybe the duration of the incident was exaggerated but in any case in 4 years of being in TT at that time of day I've never seen a similar incident.

FWIW although I'm really not that concerned about the behavior in TT (as referenced in my earlier post from late last night) I have seen some really ugly things that did clearly cross the line into harassment and criminal behavior and do believe the police have a responsibility to take appropriate enforcement action against those folks.

But as I wrote last night I'm in TT twice a day at the same time as the Wilson students and have not seen even a fraction of the behavior that is alleged in this thread (and earlier ones) and it is clear to me that there are racial overtones in a lot of the objections and concerns expressed here.

Yes. You are correct. You missed it. How long does it take a rock to travel through space and time in your universe?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it true that the lower-achieving students at Wilson have 15 students per class, this year? If so, the place should be a paradise for them.

I hope this is true. Those kids need support.

Wilson is the flagship high school in the city. Lower achieving students should be in a less rigorous, more remedial high school, so as not to suck resources from the other kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

I'll stop calling you racist if you explain to me how you know that these kids are out of bounds.

I can't speak for the other people calling you racist.

I noticed all the white people who claim that race is "not a part of this" skirted this question. Because it is clear that race is CLEARLY playing a role. But you can keep acting like you're "concerned" when we know the real issue. You're disgusting.

I addressed it directly. I don't know or care whether they're in bounds or not. I don't care what their race is.

Now you answer my questions: Why are you so focused on their race? Why do you excuse the bad behavior?

I'm not excusing their bad behavior- I just think you're exaggerating. You may now be saying you don't care if they're OOB or not (because someone called you out) but earlier nearly every post suggested returning them to their inbounds. Because of course only "good kids" live inbounds. You want to eat your hate chicken and Panera in peace- I get that. But you chose to live in a neighborhood with a high school- a desirable school to many. The positive is that your home values are high because of the good school, but you don't want the downside which is teenagers acting like teenagers. I've been there and not seen anything like you're describing. You're a racist- own it!

Well said and agreed - the folks in this thread (though I suspect it is one person) who keep insisting it is not about race then make a bunch of insinuations that suggest it is about nothing but race as if going after OOB kids isn't code for AA kids.

How many of the folks who keep making that point are aware that the group MPD suspects of dealing Heroin in the neighborhood for the last 5 years (and allegedly at a bunch of other mostly affluent local high schools) is a group of white kids from AU Park who ride around the neighborhood on skateboards?

This is a silly thread at this point - I walk through TT twice a day taking my kids to Janney at the same time all the Wilson kids are all out and about and very rarely see the behavior that so many others seem to see (or more likely imagine) every day. We even go into Chic-fil-a for an occassional after school treat of a lemonade or ice cream and I've never had any issues with the Wilson kids who crowd the restaurant at the same time we are there.

I even remember the person who made the rock throwing allegation last spring because I was in TT that day on the exact corner at the exact time this supposed long duration incident happened and saw no such thing.

As a parent with young kids I'm far far more concerned about all of the aggressive driving I see every day from MD commuters and was almost hit the other day crossing the exit from the CVS parking lot by an obnoxious woman from MD in a white SUV with an NPS sticker on the back who was on her phone (with kids in the back!) and who didn't want to yield to us and accelerated to beat us to the driveway even though we were half way across.

It happened. It was three children. One was carrying a long poster. They also stood in the middle of the street blocking traffic and calling out to confused and faltering drivers, "what are you going to do? Knock me over? Yeah, I thought so!"..I cant remember what time it was now, but do know that with after school classes different streams of children release at different times. Spring seems particularly congested as the weather gets nice. If it is quieter these days, awesome.thats a good thing but doesn't prove an point you're trying to make. Nor does claiming you didn't see rock throwing so it couldn't have happened. How absurd. I haven't posted here in weeks but find your efforts to conflate everyone's witnesings and responses sort of irresponsible.

Now that would be a public service.