Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From pictures of the Starrs, it looks as though one of the moms is FTM trans, and the daughter has kind of short hair. That’s probably what got that guy upset. What a loser.

Only one of the moms was at the event. They are divorced.

Per other reports, they were both there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

Yeah? Well this cis girl, this biologically female 9yo who identifies and presents as female and uses female pronouns was accused publicly of being a trans girl by a grandparent at the event. He literally went on the field and stopped the event yelling that she wasn’t a girl and shouldn’t be allowed to play. Why? Short hair and baggy clothes. I guess the 9yo didn’t have big enough boobs or it was confusing to him that she wasn’t wearing a dress during track and field events.

Tell me again how prohibiting trans kids from sports and bathrooms is protecting girls? Because so far the argument seems to be letting trans women/girls around cis women/girls triggers cis men and causes them to verbally attack people they think are trans who are really cis women, or it gives cis men more access somehow to let them rape more women than they already do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

Yeah? Well this cis girl, this biologically female 9yo who identifies and presents as female and uses female pronouns was accused publicly of being a trans girl by a grandparent at the event. He literally went on the field and stopped the event yelling that she wasn’t a girl and shouldn’t be allowed to play. Why? Short hair and baggy clothes. I guess the 9yo didn’t have big enough boobs or it was confusing to him that she wasn’t wearing a dress during track and field events.

Tell me again how prohibiting trans kids from sports and bathrooms is protecting girls? Because so far the argument seems to be letting trans women/girls around cis women/girls triggers cis men and causes them to verbally attack people they think are trans who are really cis women, or it gives cis men more access somehow to let them rape more women than they already do.

This was put out in June 2022. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

Of the 1.3 million adults who identify as transgender, 38.5% (515,200) are transgender women, 35.9% (480,000) are transgender men, and 25.6% (341,800) reported they are gender nonconforming.

The number of transgender girls is much smaller as a percent - extremely small. Trans girls have a much harder time coming out than trans boys (not that it's easy for them either). Those that do come out almost never play sports (trans women almost never play sports either). There are 167.5 million cis women (167,500,000). 167,500,000 vs 500,000 - because of this there are far far far more masculine women than transgender women and because the numbers are so different, nearly every time someone is accused of being "a male in the wrong space" it's going to be a cisgender woman. And every single time (not nearly every time - every time) someone does this to a child, that person will be a cis girl. The media has blown trans kids out of proportion. Most states have zero or one trans girl in the entire state playing sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

Yeah? Well this cis girl, this biologically female 9yo who identifies and presents as female and uses female pronouns was accused publicly of being a trans girl by a grandparent at the event. He literally went on the field and stopped the event yelling that she wasn’t a girl and shouldn’t be allowed to play. Why? Short hair and baggy clothes. I guess the 9yo didn’t have big enough boobs or it was confusing to him that she wasn’t wearing a dress during track and field events.

Tell me again how prohibiting trans kids from sports and bathrooms is protecting girls? Because so far the argument seems to be letting trans women/girls around cis women/girls triggers cis men and causes them to verbally attack people they think are trans who are really cis women, or it gives cis men more access somehow to let them rape more women than they already do.

Cis men AND trans women prey on/rape women and girls. I don't know why this is news to you. Neither group should have unrestricted access to women/girls spaces and sports. And because I know you will respond and say trans women don't rape women:

https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-inmate-convicted-raping-female-225931569.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

Yeah? Well this cis girl, this biologically female 9yo who identifies and presents as female and uses female pronouns was accused publicly of being a trans girl by a grandparent at the event. He literally went on the field and stopped the event yelling that she wasn’t a girl and shouldn’t be allowed to play. Why? Short hair and baggy clothes. I guess the 9yo didn’t have big enough boobs or it was confusing to him that she wasn’t wearing a dress during track and field events.

Tell me again how prohibiting trans kids from sports and bathrooms is protecting girls? Because so far the argument seems to be letting trans women/girls around cis women/girls triggers cis men and causes them to verbally attack people they think are trans who are really cis women, or it gives cis men more access somehow to let them rape more women than they already do.

Cis men AND trans women prey on/rape women and girls. I don't know why this is news to you. Neither group should have unrestricted access to women/girls spaces and sports. And because I know you will respond and say trans women don't rape women:

https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-inmate-convicted-raping-female-225931569.html

A nine year old cis girl is not a trans girl. Nine year old trans kids do not rape people. You need to stop thinking about children in this way. It's gross and disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

I don’t know if you heard the testimony of the California mother, whose daughter was in the publics. She was a young teen, going through some pretty hard emotional stuff, when she latched onto the trans agenda. The school and state took the child away from the mother, citing abuse because her mother asked questions about transgenderism, and put her in a foster home. By the time the state reversed its decision, including forcing the mother to call her daughter by her new name, the child was much further emotionally damaged. She went home to her mother who tried to help her daughter’s emotional issues. One day, the teen knelt on the tracks in front of a moving train and that was that.

PP you replied to. So? Obviously this poor child was mentally ill, and should have received better care from all the adults around her. Spend some time on the Special Needs board, PP, and you'll understand that *humane* mental health care is severely lacking when kids and adults are dangers to others or to themselves. And that's true for every single country in the world, because our society is not built to care for such patients. This has nothing to do with LGBT rights - if it hadn't been this trigger, it would have been another.

It's pretty dumb of you to use this one example to make a point. Statistics make points. Anecdotes do not.
And early statistics tend to show that denying treatment and social acceptance to transgender people increases their risk of suicide. You could have just used that.

But my point is that performative virtue-signaling about racism, gender, etc in schools is not helpful and entirely useless.

All of what you say is an excuse for what happened to this child, as well as speculation. Because you don’t care about the individual experience. You only care about the agenda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

Yeah? Well this cis girl, this biologically female 9yo who identifies and presents as female and uses female pronouns was accused publicly of being a trans girl by a grandparent at the event. He literally went on the field and stopped the event yelling that she wasn’t a girl and shouldn’t be allowed to play. Why? Short hair and baggy clothes. I guess the 9yo didn’t have big enough boobs or it was confusing to him that she wasn’t wearing a dress during track and field events.

Tell me again how prohibiting trans kids from sports and bathrooms is protecting girls? Because so far the argument seems to be letting trans women/girls around cis women/girls triggers cis men and causes them to verbally attack people they think are trans who are really cis women, or it gives cis men more access somehow to let them rape more women than they already do.

Cis men AND trans women prey on/rape women and girls. I don't know why this is news to you. Neither group should have unrestricted access to women/girls spaces and sports. And because I know you will respond and say trans women don't rape women:

https://news.yahoo.com/transgender-inmate-convicted-raping-female-225931569.html

A nine year old cis girl is not a trans girl. Nine year old trans kids do not rape people. You need to stop thinking about children in this way. It's gross and disturbing.

It was you who accused someone of wanting access to rape women. I just pointed out that cis men and trans women having access is detrimental to women and girls.

[Anonymous]

I lean conservative but I'm not a Republican. I have no issues with gay rights. I admit, like most Americans I didn't use to support marriage equality, but I was wrong and I'm now totally supportive of it.

Transsexuality, IMHO, creates a totally different set of issues. Trans people deserve respect, dignity, and protection under the law. I think the whole bathroom controversy is pretty malarkey because trans people just want to pee, they don't want to touch your private parts. However, I am VERY against parents allowing their kids to have trans surgery, the same way that I am completely against parents putting their kids into gay conversion therapy. I also think there is merit to the concerns in sports which have been discussed ad nauseam.

Like all mammals, we as humans have breeds with distinctions; if trans women are women like I believe, then why is it so wrong to think of them as their own distinct breed of women? Please don't flame me because of course trans people are not animals, I just think that mammal science can give us some pointers on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I lean conservative but I'm not a Republican. I have no issues with gay rights. I admit, like most Americans I didn't use to support marriage equality, but I was wrong and I'm now totally supportive of it.

Transsexuality, IMHO, creates a totally different set of issues. Trans people deserve respect, dignity, and protection under the law. I think the whole bathroom controversy is pretty malarkey because trans people just want to pee, they don't want to touch your private parts. However, I am VERY against parents allowing their kids to have trans surgery, the same way that I am completely against parents putting their kids into gay conversion therapy. I also think there is merit to the concerns in sports which have been discussed ad nauseam.

Like all mammals, we as humans have breeds with distinctions; if trans women are women like I believe, then why is it so wrong to think of them as their own distinct breed of women? Please don't flame me because of course trans people are not animals, I just think that mammal science can give us some pointers on this.

Trans women are men who think they are women - that does not make them women or a separate category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

You understand that gender expression exists on a spectrum, I hope. We don’t all express our femininity by acting and dressing the same. I’ve known plenty of androgynous people over the last few decades. I knew a woman who always wore men’s clothes. She admitted one day that she felt like a drag queen when she wore a dress. Men’s clothes made her feel comfortable and more like herself. People like this are described in the Jewish holy texts, so it’s not like it’s a new concept. It just has a new label.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

I agree that sex is generally A or B - with some exceptions. But just because you were born female, it doesn’t mean you automatically have certain traits, or your biology requires you to wear certain kinds of clothes, or you should be entitled to a lesser slate of rights than males.

And yet, here in 2023, there are people that still believe being born female means you are intended by God to be nothing more than a helpmeet, your body belongs to the senior male in your life, you wear dresses below the knee and cover your hair because those men are also out of control deviants, and despite your abilities you have nothing of meaning to offer to the world beyond your ability to breed and clean.

And for boys! No tears, nothing pretty. Must be stoic and soulless, must be useless in the home, must provide. Must hate who your church leader tells you to hate. Can’t love other men without fear of death because someone 2500 years ago thought it was bad for men to sleep with boys.

Despite some people’s religious delusions about Gods will and helpmeets and finding whatever excuse they can come up with to sh*t on the wasted half of their population, there is NOTHING that is inherent to humankind or biology that requires our genders to be like this. Other societies have done better and recognized the “inbetweens” as their own special class. Others recognize a more full universe of expression and aren’t threatened by it like entitled little children.

After 40 years of feminism that has barely moved the needle, it it any wonder that people have given up on fighting our crap conception of gender and have just decided to make their parts line up with their traits?

Who does it hurt for a man to wear a dress. Seriously? Who? The only person I can find are the weak-minded deviants described above who have been taught they can’t control themselves around anything in a skirt and will be stoned to death if they find themselves lying with a man.

TL/DR: If you recognize yourself in this and are offended, GOOD. Stop holding humanity back with your ancient superstitions. Try to evolve, even if you believe Jesus rode dinosaurs. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

You understand that gender expression exists on a spectrum, I hope. We don’t all express our femininity by acting and dressing the same. I’ve known plenty of androgynous people over the last few decades. I knew a woman who always wore men’s clothes. She admitted one day that she felt like a drag queen when she wore a dress. Men’s clothes made her feel comfortable and more like herself. People like this are described in the Jewish holy texts, so it’s not like it’s a new concept. It just has a new label.

Gender expression exists on a spectrum but a woman in pants with short hair is a woman as much as a woman in a dress and high heels. Her clothes and habits do not negate her womanhood. She does not have to think she's a man just because she does not behave as a stereotypical woman!! A boy who likes music and quiet time is still a boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

You understand that gender expression exists on a spectrum, I hope. We don’t all express our femininity by acting and dressing the same. I’ve known plenty of androgynous people over the last few decades. I knew a woman who always wore men’s clothes. She admitted one day that she felt like a drag queen when she wore a dress. Men’s clothes made her feel comfortable and more like herself. People like this are described in the Jewish holy texts, so it’s not like it’s a new concept. It just has a new label.

Gender expression exists on a spectrum but a woman in pants with short hair is a woman as much as a woman in a dress and high heels. Her clothes and habits do not negate her womanhood. She does not have to think she's a man just because she does not behave as a stereotypical woman!! A boy who likes music and quiet time is still a boy.

I think a lot of those androgynous people I knew in the 80s and 90s would identify as trans or non binary if they were born in the last 20 years. Other than terminology, and access to better surgical technology, the people are the same. People are just people. This is like arguing to call someone Stephen, when they want to be called Steve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

The idea that sex is a spectrum is odd and goes against common sense. Spectrum implies there is a somewhat smooth distribution across the spectrum. When put on a graph it should look something like a bell curve or a wave. Instead, over 98% of people are born genetically male or female. You can't call that a spectrum.

In other words, people are born male or female with exceptions. Intersex people exist and shouldn't be discriminated against, but they are the exceptions.

Similarly, almost everyone is born with 10 fingers. Some kids are born with 11 or 12 fingers. Some people lose fingers. Yet, we don't call people a bigot for stating people have 10 fingers.

I agree that sex is generally A or B - with some exceptions. But just because you were born female, it doesn’t mean you automatically have certain traits, or your biology requires you to wear certain kinds of clothes, or you should be entitled to a lesser slate of rights than males.

And yet, here in 2023, there are people that still believe being born female means you are intended by God to be nothing more than a helpmeet, your body belongs to the senior male in your life, you wear dresses below the knee and cover your hair because those men are also out of control deviants, and despite your abilities you have nothing of meaning to offer to the world beyond your ability to breed and clean.

And for boys! No tears, nothing pretty. Must be stoic and soulless, must be useless in the home, must provide. Must hate who your church leader tells you to hate. Can’t love other men without fear of death because someone 2500 years ago thought it was bad for men to sleep with boys.

Despite some people’s religious delusions about Gods will and helpmeets and finding whatever excuse they can come up with to sh*t on the wasted half of their population, there is NOTHING that is inherent to humankind or biology that requires our genders to be like this. Other societies have done better and recognized the “inbetweens” as their own special class. Others recognize a more full universe of expression and aren’t threatened by it like entitled little children.

After 40 years of feminism that has barely moved the needle, it it any wonder that people have given up on fighting our crap conception of gender and have just decided to make their parts line up with their traits?

Who does it hurt for a man to wear a dress. Seriously? Who? The only person I can find are the weak-minded deviants described above who have been taught they can’t control themselves around anything in a skirt and will be stoned to death if they find themselves lying with a man.

TL/DR: If you recognize yourself in this and are offended, GOOD. Stop holding humanity back with your ancient superstitions. Try to evolve, even if you believe Jesus rode dinosaurs. Thanks.

The poster you responded to is completely correct

I hope you managed to cram into your own post all the non sequitur ideas that bother cause if there are even more…. Whoa