Mink and Jawando propose to limit pull over offenses in Moco

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A member of the county’s Reimagining Public Safety Task force responded to this tweet, calling the council member’s comment disgusting “copaganda.”

It’s sick, really. If there’s any member of MCPD reading this: please know some of us see the tremendous lack of support you are up against. You really work in a hostile climate.

That woman lives in my neighborhood. I remember her telling people on the listserv not to call police when they witnessed someone breaking into cars. I guess she prefers crime and fentanyl to making criminals feel uncomfortable. So ridiculous.

Just read through the tweets. She’s…. Something else.

[Anonymous]

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That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

DP. I will name one, but it's not public facing. SRO training by MCPS is very antipolice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is about time the police start releasing this type of info about their work. Jawando and the anti police crowd have been controlling the entire narrative for the past three years, so when that's all people hear, they assume it must be true. and it's not. good policing helps keep the community safe.

And bad policing does the opposite.

You fix that by getting rid of bad policing. Not by getting rid of all policing. Wise use of pretext stops is great policing

Nobody is proposing getting rid of all policing.

Pretextual stops - aka lies - are bad policing.

I don't think you understand what pretext stops are. They are perfectly legal.

They can be both: legal, and lies.

Please explain how they are "lies."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretext

So pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line to figure out if they are drunk or not is a lie. That's the only way police can get to DUI. Someone has to violate minor traffic laws first.

No, pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line is pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line. Which the bill would continue to allow. Driving erratically is a hazard, whether you're drunk or sober.

OK, let me dumb this down a bit more. Driving without headlights on is something drunk people do pretty often. They forget to switch them on, and often don't notice because newer cars have running lights. If an officer sees someone leave a bar or restaurant and not turn on their lights, the officer is going to follow them to see if they are drunk. And in order to do further investigation, they pull them over for the failure to turn on headlights. Pretext stop (falls under the bill) to determine whether the person is impaired.

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Anonymous wrote:It is about time the police start releasing this type of info about their work. Jawando and the anti police crowd have been controlling the entire narrative for the past three years, so when that's all people hear, they assume it must be true. and it's not. good policing helps keep the community safe.

And bad policing does the opposite.

You fix that by getting rid of bad policing. Not by getting rid of all policing. Wise use of pretext stops is great policing

Nobody is proposing getting rid of all policing.

Pretextual stops - aka lies - are bad policing.

I don't think you understand what pretext stops are. They are perfectly legal.

They can be both: legal, and lies.

Please explain how they are "lies."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretext

So pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line to figure out if they are drunk or not is a lie. That's the only way police can get to DUI. Someone has to violate minor traffic laws first.

No, pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line is pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line. Which the bill would continue to allow. Driving erratically is a hazard, whether you're drunk or sober.

OK, let me dumb this down a bit more. Driving without headlights on is something drunk people do pretty often. They forget to switch them on, and often don't notice because newer cars have running lights. If an officer sees someone leave a bar or restaurant and not turn on their lights, the officer is going to follow them to see if they are drunk. And in order to do further investigation, they pull them over for the failure to turn on headlights. Pretext stop (falls under the bill) to determine whether the person is impaired.

the bill specifically says "nothing in this subsection prohibits a police officer from67
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed;"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is about time the police start releasing this type of info about their work. Jawando and the anti police crowd have been controlling the entire narrative for the past three years, so when that's all people hear, they assume it must be true. and it's not. good policing helps keep the community safe.

And bad policing does the opposite.

You fix that by getting rid of bad policing. Not by getting rid of all policing. Wise use of pretext stops is great policing

Nobody is proposing getting rid of all policing.

Pretextual stops - aka lies - are bad policing.

I don't think you understand what pretext stops are. They are perfectly legal.

They can be both: legal, and lies.

Please explain how they are "lies."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretext

So pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line to figure out if they are drunk or not is a lie. That's the only way police can get to DUI. Someone has to violate minor traffic laws first.

No, pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line is pulling someone over for crossing the yellow line. Which the bill would continue to allow. Driving erratically is a hazard, whether you're drunk or sober.

OK, let me dumb this down a bit more. Driving without headlights on is something drunk people do pretty often. They forget to switch them on, and often don't notice because newer cars have running lights. If an officer sees someone leave a bar or restaurant and not turn on their lights, the officer is going to follow them to see if they are drunk. And in order to do further investigation, they pull them over for the failure to turn on headlights. Pretext stop (falls under the bill) to determine whether the person is impaired.

the bill specifically says "nothing in this subsection prohibits a police officer from67
conducting a traffic stop if the driver of a motor vehicle
does not have at least one lighted headlamp and one rear
lamp light displayed;"

^^^I do feel like, if you're going to attack a bill for prohibiting something, you should first check to make sure that the bill would actually prohibit that thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

DP. I will name one, but it's not public facing. SRO training by MCPS is very antipolice.

Please describe specific quotes from that training that you would characterize as "abusive"?

Also, a training is not a faculty meeting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

DP. I will name one, but it's not public facing. SRO training by MCPS is very antipolice.

Please describe specific quotes from that training that you would characterize as "abusive"?

Also, a training is not a faculty meeting.

Bring back the SROs!!! But no, not like that, MCPS makes the SROs feel bad about themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

Surely police officers IRL aren't the snowflakes these posts are making them sound like?

I mean, I'm a fed, and I'm not obsessively monitoring the social media of anti-government-employee members of Congress. I just do the job I'm paid to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A member of the county’s Reimagining Public Safety Task force responded to this tweet, calling the council member’s comment disgusting “copaganda.”

It’s sick, really. If there’s any member of MCPD reading this: please know some of us see the tremendous lack of support you are up against. You really work in a hostile climate.

this bill is going to die in flames and they feel their power over politicians slipping away

Hopefully it’s the first of many to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A member of the county’s Reimagining Public Safety Task force responded to this tweet, calling the council member’s comment disgusting “copaganda.”

It’s sick, really. If there’s any member of MCPD reading this: please know some of us see the tremendous lack of support you are up against. You really work in a hostile climate.

That woman lives in my neighborhood. I remember her telling people on the listserv not to call police when they witnessed someone breaking into cars. I guess she prefers crime and fentanyl to making criminals feel uncomfortable. So ridiculous.

Just read through the tweets. She’s…. Something else.

Sit down MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

Surely police officers IRL aren't the snowflakes these posts are making them sound like?

I mean, I'm a fed, and I'm not obsessively monitoring the social media of anti-government-employee members of Congress. I just do the job I'm paid to do.

You are comparing a highly educated cohort to a less educated cohort.

Cops fall into 3 education categories… 2 year Cc, 4 years and masters/lawyers.

You also have city/suburbs vs small town background.

I’d say 1/2 the cops are 2A trumpers, then you have about 25% who are highly educated trying to work with the council for change. The other 25% don’t care and just want to get home safely.

It only takes a few to makes things hard.

Also old trumpet cops should not be teaching new cops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

Surely police officers IRL aren't the snowflakes these posts are making them sound like?

I mean, I'm a fed, and I'm not obsessively monitoring the social media of anti-government-employee members of Congress. I just do the job I'm paid to do.

+1 honestly, if you feel "abused" because of some tweets nobody is forcing you to read (PP, comparing this to faculty meetings is preposterous, thanks for the laughs) I don't know what to tell you. I have been abused at work. This is not abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That’s great! It’s nice to see a council member acknowledge good work by county employees.

Any from the public safety committee yet?

Based on the anonymous posts on DCUM, one would believe that all police officers are emotionally needy and in constant need of external validation and affirmation.

I’m a really, really good teacher. If I had to attend every faculty meeting and listen to how bad I am, I’d probably get upset. If I had restriction after restriction placed on me because my admin assumed I’m bad, I’d probably get upset.

You think “emotionally needy.” I think “abused.” I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective.

Which meetings are cops attending where they are being told how bad they are? I watch the Council meetings and critical comments of police are few and far between, much more often councilmembers thank police for the work they do (yes I actually watch them, unlike you apparently), not to mention that they are in no way analogous to faculty meetings. If you're saying bad press about police harassing, abusing and posting about killing Black people is bad for morale, then I agree but that's on the police.

My comparison stands. If people who are supposed to be in either a supervisory or support role (the school admin or the council) default to “you are bad,” then the hard-working employee (teacher or police officer) is going to feel discouraged. And where do these MCPD criticisms come from? Please just search “police” on either Mink or Jawando’s social media. You can’t paint those councilmembers as anything other than vehemently anti-police, and let’s not forget the anti-police voices in the former council. I’ve had anti-teacher administrators before. It’s dreadful working for people you know don’t support you, and won’t support you.

I was thrilled to see the positive post above from Natali Fani-Gonzalez. It didn’t take long for it to become “copaganda,” however, by a member of the Task Force. Even good work from our police must be criticized and condemned, it seems.

Surely police officers IRL aren't the snowflakes these posts are making them sound like?

I mean, I'm a fed, and I'm not obsessively monitoring the social media of anti-government-employee members of Congress. I just do the job I'm paid to do.

+1 honestly, if you feel "abused" because of some tweets nobody is forcing you to read (PP, comparing this to faculty meetings is preposterous, thanks for the laughs) I don't know what to tell you. I have been abused at work. This is not abuse.

You can laugh all you want. I’m usually not a fan of treating others poorly, nor do I like it when other people treat me poorly. If you’re comfortable with that type of climate, then I can see why none of this bothers you.

Meanwhile, I’ll be over here trying to make the world just a little bit better. If that means expecting my councilmembers to behave respectfully (perhaps by not referring to police as “thugs” and “goons” on social media), then perhaps my expectations and standards are too high.

As for my comparison to poor school administrators, it still stands. Be grateful you haven’t had that type of hostility flung your way. I have, so I know what it feels like. I left that job, just like so many of our officers are leaving theirs.