What is the End Game in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

Kharkiv has plunged into darkness--seems the Russians hit some key infrastructure on their way out.

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Anonymous wrote:Kharkiv has plunged into darkness--seems the Russians hit some key infrastructure on their way out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kharkiv has plunged into darkness--seems the Russians hit some key infrastructure on their way out.

Fleeing troops usually commit atrocities on their way out. That’s how cowards operate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kharkiv has plunged into darkness--seems the Russians hit some key infrastructure on their way out.

Fleeing troops usually commit atrocities on their way out. That’s how cowards operate.

Sure. You sound like you have a lot of combat experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kharkiv has plunged into darkness--seems the Russians hit some key infrastructure on their way out.

Fleeing troops usually commit atrocities on their way out. That’s how cowards operate.

Sure. You sound like you have a lot of combat experience.

Simping for Russians on a mommy board on Sunday evening. Weird flex, bro.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kharkiv has plunged into darkness--seems the Russians hit some key infrastructure on their way out.

Fleeing troops usually commit atrocities on their way out. That’s how cowards operate.

Sure. You sound like you have a lot of combat experience.

Simping for Russians on a mommy board on Sunday evening. Weird flex, bro.

+1

There was no call for Russia to commit further war crimes. I’m not sure what kind of person defends that, even obliquely.

[Anonymous]

Be prepared for much worse.

The first thing the Ukrainians are doing is secure the nuclear plant at Zaporizhzhia.

The nuclear plant was built to withstand a plane accidentally crashing into it.

However, it cannot sustain multiple direct missile hits.

[Anonymous]

It’s time to push in to Russia itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s time to push in to Russia itself.

Troll alert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s time to push in to Russia itself.

No one wants that, but Putin and the FSB have long been obsessed with the idea that the West wants to invade or at least topple the regime and control the next leader. It's the entire reason why Putin and the ultranationalists want a Greater Russia, to defend itself against the West. Which from their point of view makes total sense. I'm sure a CIA unit is tasked with making contacts with political opponents and fundraising opposition movements and activitists. But it might pain them to know that Russia is not *that* high on any country's list that they'd want to actively take on a managerial role in its affairs. We're more concerned with China.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.

The Hate America First crowd loves autocrats like Orban and Putin.

All American presidents loved the Gulf autocrats. It's a common disease, dear.

Uhm, no. All presidents dealt with gulf autocrats because they control tons of oil and we need tons of oil. If that desert had only sand, they would still be living in tents like 1930 and nobody would care about them.

Loving Orban has no reasons. Hungary is a small country in the EU. Nobody cares about Hungary itself so there is no necessity for the US to bend the knee to Orban. The American right (led by people like Trump and Carlson ) love Orban precisely because he is a wannabe strongman who is trying to do away with democracy in his country as much as possible, going against the free press, education institutions that are not aligned with him, judiciary and so on. So there is a big different with being pragmatic and dealing with dictators of countries that have a strategic crucial importance for the US and flattering and supporting a wannabe dictator of a country of little importance just because he is a right wing strong man (who is also working to weaken from the inside an important ally like the EU)

[Anonymous]

Fascinating read. The Ukrainians also captured a ton of Russian artillery.

Russians ‘fled like Olympic sprinters’ as Ukraine retook north-east

https://www.ft.com/content/72afd742-8f54-4f9a-920d-bb58870981a8?fbclid=IwAR3Dg_3FHmlU1jSXCvkk073EVBsJKEqeVWrrgygZ-pyG62b1lG6CR21PObg#comments-anchor

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Anonymous wrote:Viktor Orban is my leader; he speaks for Christendom.

While I was a great student, I flailed around miserably in Sunday School and was probably the foreshadowing of my life as an agnostic. That said, there is no Book of Orban in either the New or Old Testament.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.

I don't know why you can't accept that people across the political spectrum may have nuanced opinions about the war in Ukraine. There is zero need to bring the "trumpers" element into it. You can discuss opinions and ideas without getting personal. Or can you?

Please share the nuance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you Trumpers be happy that Ukraine is winning? That the Soviet Union won't be revived? That this might bring about the end of Putin's regime? That NATO and our western alliances will be stronger because of this? That the U.S. hasn't embroiled itself directly in another foreign entanglement? Trump wanted Europe to start contributing its fair share of the NATO budget. Well, this war seems to have done the trick. It shouldn't matter that it happened under Biden. You should be happy to see an adversary - one that has directly interfered in U.S. elections get its comeuppance.

I don't know why you can't accept that people across the political spectrum may have nuanced opinions about the war in Ukraine. There is zero need to bring the "trumpers" element into it. You can discuss opinions and ideas without getting personal. Or can you?

It's hard to accept that many of you have nuanced opinions when your party actively aids and abets an insurrection, restricts the rights of others, doesn't see many of us as legitimate members of our society, and actively roots for dictators like Putin and Orban over our own President. I also am old enough to remember the "you are with us or against us" crowd during the build-up to the Iraq war. So, it's rich coming from any conservatives suggesting that anyone to the left of them "accept" nuances to their views. But please, feel free to explain why you're one of the few that doesn't get his/her talking points from Fox News. I'd be happy to hear alternative view points and consider them -- something that I rarely hear from Trumpers.

I'm gonna say this real patiently:

There is not "many of you". There is only one of me. Everyone else is just like me, only one person with their own views.

I don't have a party.

I am not really a conservative.

It also seems apropros to point out that the hard-on for the invasion of Iraq was displayed universally across the political spectrum, from Fox to MSNBC. Americans love themselves a holy war.

I am neither a Trumper or a Bidener.

Debate ideas, don't get personal, if you're as old as you say, you ought to be able to.

that is patently not true.